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But it's both insulting and very obviously false to suggest that there's any timeline under which Spurs do not remain a large, rich, and well-supported Premier League club, and the reason for that is, always was, and always will be it's dedicated support which predated Levy by decades and will survive him by centuries, god willing. Sugar couldn't have killed that no matter how hard he tried..

I didn't say that - but sticking to the facts as we know them, Spurs were a heavily broken club under the various forms of ownership stretching back to the 70s, from a point of financial stability and competent ownership. I would say that it is disrespectful to what has (in reality) been achieved to brush it away as if it was an inevitability.
You say "under which Spurs do not remain a large, rich, and well-supported Premier League club" - the fact is we weren't 'rich' when the club was taken over. We weren't rich when Venables and Sugar went for it. We weren't rich when Scholar acquired it (hence why he battled to float it). The fact we're, as often quoted, the nth richest club in whatever isn't something that pre-existed, nor has it just happened in spit of anything. A big club, and a well supported one - yes. But Sugar sold the club as a miserable shell of what it in the past, as a football club, despite the support it had. I remember us playing Kaiserslauten (sp?) with Leonhardsen in a baggy yellow kit and we got battered. Kaiserslauten. The idea of beating a european team seemed like a pipe dream then, with teams full of aging rejects.

Tottenham Hotspur are a big club with amazing fans, but we aren't unique in that. So assuming the reliability and predictability that, to paraphrase, 'someone else would have done it', I find that hard to believe. I can't name a single other club in the league who has. Woolwich have a ton of weird fans and they were broke all the way through the whole period ENIC have been here. Take away Chelsea and Man City, who have artificially cooked up their 'revenue', and I think this club is pretty much standing alone in terms of its stability, on and off the pitch.
 
Levy or whoever is in charge of this poorly run football club had better get their ducks in line pretty quickly when the second transfer window opens otherwise there won’t be anyone left to buy. Everyone seems to be doing business except us which will handicap any new manager in a big way come the new season
We don’t even try to compete with Man U, City, Chelsea or Liverpool ffs. Who have Leeds signed? How much have Everton spent? These are the clubs we compete with for signings, probably need to sell a few to each of the aforementioned before we can spend tbf
 
Malaysia not really known for oil wealth, is it?. Palm oil money more like
City are criticised for a few things Re: their owners. And I myself am critical of them so would be a hypocrite.

1. Human rights record of CFG and affiliated companies within Abu Dhabi.
2. Being sovereignly owned.
3. Being owned by oil company.

Petronas satisfies two of those.
I want us bought out and move on from ENIC and Daniel, but not if it makes me a hypocrite.

Not allowed to drive so it certainly beats walking to work.
 
Tottenham Hotspur are a big club with amazing fans, but we aren't unique in that.
The scale of Tottenham's support, and its presence in prosperous London, is important when attempts are made to analogize us to Everton or Newcastle or Leeds or whoever. We always have been and always will be bigger and more valuable than those clubs, through Scholar, Sugar, come what may.

But sure, lots of other clubs have great and passionate fans.

We are not unique in that, but we are unique in this

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That is the problem.

Petronas satisfies two of those.
Oh is Petronas the entity that's been sniffing around with Staveley?

That would make a lot of sense, they wouldn't be buying the whole club, that sounds more like a minority stake with a stadium and shirt sponsorship attached.

You could cook a right shady deal up there monkeying around with the value of the sponsorship deals versus the share valuation.
 
City are criticised for a few things Re: their owners. And I myself am critical of them so would be a hypocrite.

1. Human rights record of CFG and affiliated companies within Abu Dhabi.
2. Being sovereignly owned.
3. Being owned by oil company.

Petronas satisfies two of those.
I want us bought out and move on from ENIC and Daniel, but not if it makes me a hypocrite.


Not allowed to drive so it certainly beats walking to work.
I think the majority of people criticise City’s owners for their blatant cheating, not human rights. Faux revenue, sponsorship, backhanded payments etc
 
The net spend from 2003 until 2019 was approx £180m. Just over £10m per season on average.
Since then it has gone up to £100m. That's the "net spend" people used to complain about.




You know what the stupidest thing about that chart is? It favours clubs who are badly run, with very low revenue. It also favours clubs, like Chelsea, who have a ridiculous excess of players, because the "wage bill" is a collective lump and doesn't actually indicate how competitive the salaries are per player quality.
As I mentioned last time, and got no response, are Real Madrid a nearly team compared to Barcelona?

But here's the ultimate question: If we had 2nd highest wages in the league, would you still see that "spending within our means" as a negative? Are we somehow a better-run club if we go full-on Irving Scholar?
I didn't suggest spending like Irving Scholar , we just need to spend our money on players we go for - but just won't pay the extra few £mill to get the deal over the line . Instead Levy digs his heels in and we miss out . It's not just once or twice it's nearly every transfer window . We're supposed to be a big club so we should behave like a big club and cough up every now and then .
Real Madrid are the same as Barcelona - if they go for a player they usually get their man , something we should do .
 
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Anyone know if the delightful Mr Lewis has done anything to make us feel ashamed in Patagonia in the last week? I would hate to be standing on the high moral ground and come tumbling down because I wasn’t up to date .
 
The net spend from 2003 until 2019 was approx £180m. Just over £10m per season on average.
Since then it has gone up to £100m. That's the "net spend" people used to complain about.




You know what the stupidest thing about that chart is? It favours clubs who are badly run, with very low revenue. It also favours clubs, like Chelsea, who have a ridiculous excess of players, because the "wage bill" is a collective lump and doesn't actually indicate how competitive the salaries are per player quality.
As I mentioned last time, and got no response, are Real Madrid a nearly team compared to Barcelona?

But here's the ultimate question: If we had 2nd highest wages in the league, would you still see that "spending within our means" as a negative? Are we somehow a better-run club if we go full-on Irving Scholar?

Wage bill also includes all staff on the payroll, and not just the players

And to back up your point

Would people be more inclined to be like Man U for example - higher Wage to Turover ratio - but more shit than us.

I mean, the difference we are talking here is likely 2-3 x 200k a week players and considering quite a few of our younger players will get a pay bump after how much the played in the prem - likely in line with what Udogie got last year - from something like 15k to 75k a year.

Its also worth noting that how much we spend is IRRELEVANT if those players do not perform or aren't the right fit.

Morgan Rodgers in only on 75k a week - incredible value for money for Villa - Most of their other high earners - in fact same for Liverpool - are only on the numbers they are because of how long they have been at the club - Liverpools new signing is a complete outlier in terms of how they normally do business - 95% of their signings in recentyears have been on incredibly modest wages.

We barely have any players who have been with us longer than 3-4 years
 
Wage bill also includes all staff on the payroll, and not just the players

And to back up your point

Would people be more inclined to be like Man U for example - higher Wage to Turover ratio - but more shit than us.

I mean, the difference we are talking here is likely 2-3 x 200k a week players and considering quite a few of our younger players will get a pay bump after how much the played in the prem - likely in line with what Udogie got last year - from something like 15k to 75k a year.

Its also worth noting that how much we spend is IRRELEVANT if those players do not perform or aren't the right fit.

Morgan Rodgers in only on 75k a week - incredible value for money for Villa - Most of their other high earners - in fact same for Liverpool - are only on the numbers they are because of how long they have been at the club - Liverpools new signing is a complete outlier in terms of how they normally do business - 95% of their signings in recentyears have been on incredibly modest wages.

We barely have any players who have been with us longer than 3-4 years

Examples from some clubs with their 'payroll' league table position. Woolwich (3rd) seem to pay everyone double what other clubs would

RangeMan City (1st)Man Utd (2nd)Chelsea (4th)Liverpool (5th)Tottenham (7th)Villa (6th)Newcastle (9th)
£0-49kRico Lewis - £25kChido Obi-Martin - £15k
Mainoo - £25k
Dorgu - £40k
Heaton - £45k
DD Fofana - £30k
Lavia - £45k
Curtis Jones - £15k
Elliot - £40k
Endo - £50k
Kinsky - £20k
Odobert - £25k
Spence - £40k
Disasi - £40kLewis Hall - £7k
Lascalles, Dubravka - £40k
Wilson - £46k
£50k-99kDoku, Bobb - £50k
Ortega - £90k
Garnacho - £50k
Evans - £65k
Dalot, Hojlund - £85k
Madueke - £50k
Sanchez - £60k
Dewsbury-Hall - £80k
Diaz - £55k
Marmadashvilli - £60k
Konate - £70k
Tsimikas - £75k
Gomes - £85k
Van der Ven - £50k
Bissouma - £55k
Bergvall - £65k
Johnson, Sarr - £70k
Forster, Gray, Bentancur, Vicario, Udogie - £75k
Davies - £80k
Dragusin, Porro - £85k
Richi, Solanke - £90k
Barkley - £60k
Ramsay - £70k
Rodgers, Konsa - £75k
Cash - £80k
Longstaff, Livramento - £50k
Pope, Schar - £60k
Burns - £70k
Willock, Barnes - £80k
Botman - £90k
£100k-149kEderson - £100k
Mathius Nunez - £130k
Zirkzee - £105k
Yoro - £115k
Onana, Martinez, Diallo, Ugarte, Lindelof - £120k
Mudryk, Colwill, Jackson, Chilwell - £100k
Palmer - £120k
Szoboszlai, Gakpo - £120k
Nunez, Jota - £140k
Kulusevski - £110kMings, Maatsen, Torres - £100k
McGinn, Bailey, Ginn - £120k
Watkins - £130k
Malen - £140k
Targett - £100k
Isak, Trippier, Tonali - £120k
£150k-199kKovacic - £150k
Ake - £160k
Akanji, Dias - £180k
Shaw, Eriksen - £150k
Maguire - £190k
De Ligt - £195k
Caiciedo - £150kChiesa, Gravenbach, Allison, Mac Allister - £150k
Robertson - £160k
Romero - £165k
Maddison - £170k
Son - £190k
Martinez, Tielemens, Kamara - £150kJoelinton, Gordon - £150k
Guimaraes - £160k
£200k+Gvardiol - £200k
Foden - £225k
Stones - £250k
Marmoush - £295k
Grealish - £300k
De Bruyne - £400k
Haaland - £525k
Mount - £250k
Fernandes - £300k
Casimero - £350k
Wesley Fofana - £200k
Reece James - £250k
VVD - £350k
Salah - £400k
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City and Liverpool are both recent league title winners, and have some Champions League winners, so I'd naturally expect them to be a cut above. Man City and Man Utd seem to be offering wages that are unnecessary and other teams wouldn't pay. Don't know why Chelsea are paying Reece James over £1m a month as he's rarely fit.

Last season we would have seen Perisic on £180k plus Lloris and Hojbjerg on £100k, so we've trimmed nearly £300k a week off players who didn't play for Ange.


If VVD and Salah left without renewing their contracts, that's £39m a year on those players alone (about to turn 34 and 33 respectively)
 
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I didn't suggest spending like Irving Scholar , we just need to spend our money on players we go for - but just won't pay the extra few £mill to get the deal over the line . Instead Levy digs his heels in and we miss out . It's not just once or twice it's nearly every transfer window . We're supposed to be a big club so we should behave like a big club and cough up every now and then .
Real Madrid are the same as Barcelona - if they go for a player they usually get their man , something we should do .

Have a look in the table above - apart from a handful on bonkers salaries, none of the players we'd competed for are on that much.

For example Diaz - £55k. People will think we didn't "cough up" for him, but we have the likes of Johnson on £70k and Dragusin and Porro on £85k, so something doesn't add up.
 
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