Oh piss off, you were screaming for Poch's head on plate before our first league game.Here is a problem I have with Poch (and generally the culture at Tottenham)
After this weekend matches
Liverpool 2 point below 4th. Brendan Rogers = "We want to get second place" HE IS NOT EVEN FOURTH AND ABOUT TO GO TO OT NEXT WEEK
Tottenham 6 points below 4th. Poch = "4th place difficult". WE HAVE 9 MATCHES TO GO WITH 5 REALLY WINNABLE ONES
I know being 6 down looks worse compared to 2, but don't say this, even if you think it motivates players (I don't think it does) Liverpool had one great season last year and their manager is acting like an arrogant jerk and dares to talk about SECOND PLACE!!!!!!!! and our manager seems to already concede the battle....Did Koeman say this?????????????
And hence Adebayor comes out and say "Only Kane can save us"...Happy Mr. Poch? The tone in the locker room is set now, 9 matches to go, let's finish the season and get ready to HOLIDAY!!!!!....
The last 20 so years have totally changed the culture to an extent someone like Gary Neville says "We always know one thing about Tottenham when we play them....THEY ARE WEAK!!!!!!!" .. I believe many of you heard him say it recently when commenting/analyzing on one of our matches....
I want my manager/coach to be arrogant, confident jerk, and dares to challenge the whole world and not cave in with the tiniest bump.....
Bill Nicholson quote:
"It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we of Spurs have set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory."
"Spurs have got to be the best in the land, not the second best."
"There's no use being satisfied when things are done wrongly. I want perfection. "
Club slogan? "To Dare Is to Do"
Go read the club history man and know what you are managing .. I know it's your first season, not all players fit your system, but SET THE TONE man, establish the culture...let everyone know what we are here for ......
I'd be way more happy if he came and said "WE WILL WIN THE REMAINING 9 MATCHES" and lose all of them than say "4th is difficult" ...
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Manager Mauricio Pochettino
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haha how has our squad weakened since the end of last season? how have southampton improved theres?
- 01 Lloris
- 02 Walker
- 15 Dier/Fazio
- 05 Vertonghen
- 03 Rose
- 42 Bentaleb
- 38 Mason
- 17 Townsend/Dembele
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Does anyone think SAF would do a lot better with our squad?
I do. The squad is not perfect, but he would at least use it to its fullest.
Im sure he could figure out 2 effective formations with the players we have. At least two.
I do. The squad is not perfect, but he would at least use it to its fullest.
Im sure he could figure out 2 effective formations with the players we have. At least two.
Before people fly off on one, I dont expect Poch to be SAF...just pointing out that its not simply a case of the wrong players.
Its a case of not knowing how to utilise them when we need to change it.
Even Harry had two different formations that worked extremely well.
Its a case of not knowing how to utilise them when we need to change it.
Even Harry had two different formations that worked extremely well.
Was gonna answer, but your 2nd post stopped me.
The United loss was down to them (by complete luck of injuries and selection) playing completely unlike they had at any point in the season.
The reason that our players looked shell shocked was that we prepared to face the United who had played Woolwich 6 days earlier.
Yep, that's the reason. With respect, you talk some shit Blanchflower.
It was the West Ham game - when he had his worst 45 mins pretty much ever
A key point is with the exception of Vertonghen and Walker we have seen the best of every player there under Poccettino
Yes he has no plan B, yes the subs are crazy, I dont think he alienates I think he picks the players he feels will win and he gets it wrong sometimes
I hope in summer he is given money to get plan A 25% better and get us a Plan B
We don't have a plan B because we don't have the alternatives on the bench to have a good plan B.
Oh I remember. But Dembeles worst 45 minutes is still better than a poor 45 from Chadli.
Is there just a case of our squad being decent and our tactic being found out?
If you're the other side and playing Spurs, you would tightly mark Kane and hit the wide channels where a bit of pace and movement would get you some change.
This 'Plan B' point is more a question, do we have the right players to put an effective plan in place or is the manager not sure of what that plan b should be?
I think you have to give Pochettino the benefit of the doubt and say we need a stronger squad at the moment.
If you're the other side and playing Spurs, you would tightly mark Kane and hit the wide channels where a bit of pace and movement would get you some change.
This 'Plan B' point is more a question, do we have the right players to put an effective plan in place or is the manager not sure of what that plan b should be?
I think you have to give Pochettino the benefit of the doubt and say we need a stronger squad at the moment.
Not sure he could have been in that instance - the one footed dribble back to his own goal that they scored from was pretty special
Our squad is about as far from 'bang average' as you can get. There are underperforming players:
- Soldado
- Adebayor
- Capoue
- Lamela
- Dembele (arguably)
- Paulinho
- Fazio
- Chiriches
...but that doesn't make them average players. Soldado is a 20-30 goal a year man in the right system, Adebayor has shown his ability and can be virtually unplayable when he's in the right frame of mind, Lamela scored/assisted loads at Roma and was one of the hottest properties in Europe, Paulinho was a regular starter for Brazil, Fazio was the anchor at the heart of the Seville Europa Cup winning defence, Capoue was one of the best performing midfielders in France etc etc.
What we've assembled is a squad of players who need different systems and management styles to get the best out of them. They can't work together in Poch's style. The fact that this situation exists isn't Poch's fault necessarily (it's Baldini / Levy) but if Poch is a top draw manager he should find a way to make it work. Instead, we've got one of the worst defences in the league AND our goalkeeper is arguably our best player - sweet baby jesus. Where would we be without Lloris?
While that list a few posts above cites players that are giving their best under Poch. 'The best' from the underperforming players I've listed would far, far exceed 'the best' from some on that list.
- Soldado
- Adebayor
- Capoue
- Lamela
- Dembele (arguably)
- Paulinho
- Fazio
- Chiriches
...but that doesn't make them average players. Soldado is a 20-30 goal a year man in the right system, Adebayor has shown his ability and can be virtually unplayable when he's in the right frame of mind, Lamela scored/assisted loads at Roma and was one of the hottest properties in Europe, Paulinho was a regular starter for Brazil, Fazio was the anchor at the heart of the Seville Europa Cup winning defence, Capoue was one of the best performing midfielders in France etc etc.
What we've assembled is a squad of players who need different systems and management styles to get the best out of them. They can't work together in Poch's style. The fact that this situation exists isn't Poch's fault necessarily (it's Baldini / Levy) but if Poch is a top draw manager he should find a way to make it work. Instead, we've got one of the worst defences in the league AND our goalkeeper is arguably our best player - sweet baby jesus. Where would we be without Lloris?
While that list a few posts above cites players that are giving their best under Poch. 'The best' from the underperforming players I've listed would far, far exceed 'the best' from some on that list.
Agreed - the latter in nothing more than an over-ratted Twitter legend semi-clogger who's been average at best during a handful of games. Don't let a few goals disguise a painfully mediocre player who offers no pace or technical ability down he wing. We need to upgrade pront
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think it hard to compare Poch and SAF and I am not just talking about their records/age etc. Poch is an idealist, he has a system that requires very particular players to work, our CB's have to be quick, good on the ball and read the game well for example. Very much like Barca or even the scum we are aiming for a certain type of play and arguably we don't have the tools to complete the job yet.SAF fits more into the Pulis/Redknapp category (yes I know more successful of course), he is a pragmatist who changes his system depending on what players he has, not to say he doesn't have a style he eventually wants to play but he is generally a bit more open.
I always thought at the start of the season if we wanted a manager with the best chance of short term success (ie. top 4) Pulis would have been a better choice than Poch or De Boer as he would have taken our hotchpotch squad and formed a cohesive difficult unit out of it and made us very resilient. With Poch and the young players that are coming through I thing a long term approach is being developed, that we should play a particular style and that takes time. I don't mind this as the style is quite nice unlike AVB which was dogshit boring.
I think SAF was an idealist. He had a very set idea of how the team should play, and chopped and changed to get that ideal. He evolved over time, and his ideal wasn't conventional, but you knew an SAF team when you saw one.
SAF fits more into the Pulis/Redknapp category (yes I know more successful of course), he is a pragmatist who changes his system depending on what players he has, not to say he doesn't have a style he eventually wants to play but he is generally a bit more open.
I always thought at the start of the season if we wanted a manager with the best chance of short term success (ie. top 4) Pulis would have been a better choice than Poch or De Boer as he would have taken our hotchpotch squad and formed a cohesive difficult unit out of it and made us very resilient. With Poch and the young players that are coming through I thing a long term approach is being developed, that we should play a particular style and that takes time. I don't mind this as the style is quite nice unlike AVB which was dogshit boring.
Pulis I don't think would have gotten us a top 4 position. He can build very defensive, resilient squads. He can't take the fight to anyone though, and I think he would struggle when the challenge was to be expansive and attack more.
He also isn't fun to watch, and that matters.
That's why he wouldn't suit us probably and why I so disliked AVB, we are Spurs, we attack or at least try to, as for do well I think Pulis would have made us tough in both defence and attack but I think it would be a short termist approach and boring. Levy and I have criticised him a lot is looking at the long term and wants us to have a football culture as it were so I am very glad we got Poch. My original perference was for De Boer but I think Levy made the right call.
I think that the squad is very young and mistake prone.
On a good day, they can beat anyone, as they have massive talent. But there will be a lot of off days as they learn how to be professionals.
And if you look at who Soton sold, vs who they bought, I think Pelle, Tadic and Mane were much better than the guys they sold to Liverpool. They had a replacement for Shaw ready, and their defence hasn't suffered without Lovren.
They definitely improved.
We should have signed Alderweireld YEARS ago too same time as Jan, they would have been golden together, quality loan signing from Koeman