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Manager Mauricio Pochettino

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The media (and the Spanish media) we’re doing this as well. The point is that given what has transpired since then that narrative has ceased and will do for a number of years.

As for the analogy well if your wife or partner when asked about another man stated that she was happy but then said you never know what may happen in the future would you not be concerned by this? I dare you to say that when talking about your marriage to wife in the future.
He did an interview with Spanish media just days after getting the gig at Everton, DAYS after!!!! This is where the stories started, by him. He had a personal registration number on his car in homage to Barca, he drove into Everton car park with that on! He incensed the Everton fans by this action and rightly so.

You didn't answer he question about your wife, answering a question with a question is know diversion tactic. (If you don't want to answer I'll respect that, it's meant to be lighthearted but point still stands though)
 
I wonder how the online warriors are handling this news, the one's that constantly say "he's shit because he's won nothing". Many seem to be delighted by this news and are jumping up and down for joy, odd behaviour given their stance on him. Makes you wonder why the biggest teams in the world would be interested in such a shit manager.

He's the man of the moment, and that moment potentially only lasts till this evening.......that's how fucking fickle all this shit has become
 
the way I see it is if you are a proper supporter, as in you watch as many games as possible, go to as many games as possible and you see the club as a big part of your life your more likely to join a spurs forum, if you just follow the club and check the results etc, your more likely to go on twitter and slag of the manager , players etc after a bad result, where you didn't watch the game but your annoyed as city won, and your mate supports city......
Where as on the forums the majority know we are in a better place now with Poch than we have been for a long time!
Hear! Hear! Couldn't have put it better myself :)
 
On Pochettino it is simple.

He knows he has a job for a long time with an expectation that he turns us from perennial near missers to being winners on the odd occasion.

He stays to see the job through or he fcuks off to a club where it is huge pressure every game and just 2 clubs usually to compete with domestically.

He ain't beating Zidane's record of 2 successive Champion's League wins.

To use his words I am calm but I also know his loss would definitely also be ours.
 
Good grief, I can't believe some of the nonsense on this thread. Fact is, nobody knows what the future holds, be it in football, marriage or anything else. I'm making the most of Poch, right here and now. If he's here for the rest of his career, I would be very happy, but in reality, he will probably end up elsewhere. Until that day, just let the media do their job of speculating, because that's what sells -God forbid that truth gets in the way!
 
Good grief, I can't believe some of the nonsense on this thread. Fact is, nobody knows what the future holds, be it in football, marriage or anything else. I'm making the most of Poch, right here and now. If he's here for the rest of his career, I would be very happy, but in reality, he will probably end up elsewhere. Until that day, just let the media do their job of speculating, because that's what sells -God forbid that truth gets in the way!
This. Poch is a man that lives in the here and now. So should we.

Enjoy it while it lasts and only start speculating about the future once we get there.

Planning ahead is left to Levy and company
 
Every single thing you have written is speculative. You miss the absolute and the thing that actually happened and what was said. You do this because it doesn't support your position/view. Odd you would decide to do this, it's not a competition that supporters win or lose. Poch couldn't have been more loyal to Cortse, he publicly sided with him and said he would leave if he was sack. Cortse was sacked, he left. These are the facts. It's also clear as day that the "new" regime at Southampton is on a totally different plan to Cortese and have subsequently gone backwards following their meteoric rise with him, Cortse's plan was remarkably ambitious and he was targeting winning the PL as his objective, something that Poch 100% bought into. He was off the moment Cortse got the boot, enter Tottenham.

Cortes left on the 14th of January 2014, Poch left on the 27th of May 2014 and only after he had received an offer from us. His original postion was that he would leave if Cortese did, He didn’t and he didn’t when the season ended and only left did after there was a job offer from us. Those are the facts and are not suggestive of a person that ‘couldn’t be more committed to Cortese’ . If that were really the case why did he move from his original postion? Why didn’t he resign at the seasons close? Why was there nothing about him departing prior to our interest? As for Cortese’s plan really? Do you honestly believe Pochettinho to subscribe to such nonsense? There was never any scope for that at that club, they have no where near the resources for that.

You can only judge people on their actions, to date he's been immaculate and loyal to his past employers, so forgive me if I hang my hat on this. I'm also looking at Levy's actions too, he has never stood by a manger in his 20yrs at Tottenham like he has with Poch. He has never given a new deal to the current manager (forgive me if I've got this wrong but can't think of one??), not only this he has awarded him greater responsibilities and with the longest contract ever given to a Manager in the Clubs entire history, all this from a Chairman famous for his ruthless and uncompromising dealings with every single one of his managers/coaches. These things are concrete, indisputable truths and all point to a strong relationship one that's in tandem.

We cannot judge him on Espanyol as the opportunity was never presented, there is nothing to point to and they sacked him. As for Southampton, well as I demonstrated above his postion changed throughout and he left at the first opportunity a larger club came calling. Listen I’m not criticising him for this, this is the postion prevalent through the entire game. That’s the football food chain. Our supporters readily accept this reality at other clubs but then choose to deny this at their own. As for Levy, well I’m sure there is a positive relationship there but this is a results business and if does not perform I fail to see how he would suddenly act any differently to previous or act at odds to the rest of the game.

The rest is speculation, he may well leave, my previous post gave three broad outline possibilities, all guesswork, I don't have a crystal ball, which is why I default to basing my guesswork on past facts, not invent something that didn't happen.

It is all speculation but what I see here is comfort narratives at play because your starting postion is that you do not want this to transpire and are presenting a case based around that. My postion is that I’m not bothered either way, I’m happy to see him stay but will understand if he goes. My postion is centred around the hierarchy of the game and the mountain of evidence that supports movement within that structure.
 
If Real want him, Poch will probably go. It's arguably the biggest job in world football and Poch is an ambitious guy. Unlike Kane, he has no emotional attachment to the club beyond what he's achieved in recent seasons.

Much as I love what Poch has done with our team, it's just one chapter in what has been a mostly positive trajectory under Levy.

I hope he stays but won't be shocked one bit if he goes.
 
Cortes left on the 14th of January 2014, Poch left on the 27th of May 2014 and only after he had received an offer from us. His original postion was that he would leave if Cortese did, He didn’t and he didn’t when the season ended and only left did after there was a job offer from us. Those are the facts and are not suggestive of a person that ‘couldn’t be more committed to Cortese’ . If that were really the case why did he move from his original postion? Why didn’t he resign at the seasons close? Why was there nothing about him departing prior to our interest? As for Cortese’s plan really? Do you honestly believe Pochettinho to subscribe to such nonsense? There was never any scope for that at that club, they have no where near the resources for that.



We cannot judge him on Espanyol as the opportunity was never presented, there is nothing to point to and they sacked him. As for Southampton, well as I demonstrated above his postion changed throughout and he left at the first opportunity a larger club came calling. Listen I’m not criticising him for this, this is the postion prevalent through the entire game. That’s the football food chain. Our supporters readily accept this reality at other clubs but then choose to deny this at their own. As for Levy, well I’m sure there is a positive relationship there but this is a results business and if does not perform I fail to see how he would suddenly act any differently to previous or act at odds to the rest of the game.



It is all speculation but what I see here is comfort narratives at play because your starting postion is that you do not want this to transpire and are presenting a case based around that. My postion is that I’m not bothered either way, I’m happy to see him stay but will understand if he goes. My postion is centred around the hierarchy of the game and the mountain of evidence that supports movement within that structure.
When Cortse was sacked, Cortse pleaded with him to remain at Southampton. Another fact, one that I have already put in my post but not picked up on by you because it debunks your claim. The board all wanted Poch to stay, but wanted to Cortses out, all this after the Owner died. Following his death and Cortese leaving everything changed.

Cortese had a plan to win the league, he had it from the day he met the owner, a client of his. The plan was extremely well documented and talked about endlessly, probably laughed at originally but after the raise through the leagues, the sacking of Adkins and then the incredible rise when Poch was in charge everyone was taking notice, Southampton's philosophy was the envy of the PL and made PL regulars look pathetic and lazy (I'd include us in that for a while). EVERY PL club was made to look stupid by the philosophy of Southampton, a philosophy put in place by Cortse and carried out by Poch.
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I'm being really lazy with the above links, haven't spent any time in researching them, just typed in google and lifted the first hits in a row, there is tones of stuff about the Plans Cortse had for Southampton, what he said and how he did it (got as far as he did before being sacked). I have even included a link to what Poch said after Cortse left, giving assurance to Southampton supporters that he will stay and continue to work on Cotses's plan. I've done this because it's important, he said he would stay and continue Cortse's plan. It is as clear as day the board moved away from Cortese's plan, that was ripped up and they began selling all of their best players year after year, this is highly significant in why he left. There no longer was a plan that he believed in, the goalposts were completely changed. He left.

I'm not judging him based on Espanyol, just that he is still thought of affectionally there, not just by supporters but the club too. They love him and he's been back numerous times as guest etc. Everything I have said has been passed on what has happened since he came to PL.

My entire stance is based on his actions, and what happened with him and what he has done and said. I've not made presumptions on possibilities, I've based them on the facts that transpired. I have fully acknowledge the life of a manager and the pull of the biggest club in the world but I have treated them as speculation, unknown and possibilities. They could happen, they might not. If he went I would totally understand why, I acknowledge the pyramid in football, my first post has already acknowledged this. Again, I'd rather take the previous action of a man and judge on this, than take the option of because Conte/Mournho/Koeman /whoever would do this or that therefor Poch would do the same. It seems a fair way to judge a man. Also, as a supporter it enables me to still believe in what he is doing and support him, don't think I could do that with the passion I hold for the club.
 
If Real want him, Poch will probably go. It's arguably the biggest job in world football and Poch is an ambitious guy. Unlike Kane, he has no emotional attachment to the club beyond what he's achieved in recent seasons.

Much as I love what Poch has done with our team, it's just one chapter in what has been a mostly positive trajectory under Levy.

I hope he stays but won't be shocked one bit if he goes.
I don't think there is a chance in hell that he would leave at the moment for multiple factors. There quite literally couldn't be a worse time for him to leave Spurs and go there.

- He's on the cusp of winning something here, at the sharp end of his project
- That will prove both himself and his philosophy
- He's about to lead us out into one of the best football stadiums in the world and become an indelible part of our history
- As others have said, he won't be afforded the same time as he gets at a "normal" club over at Madrid
- Especially if he has no track record of success
- They are currently an ego led outfit and couldn't be further away from his philosophy than is possible and that is led from the very top

Why would he throw the last three years away and let someone else take the plaudits? For a job spits everyone out in 12-24 months? Once he feels he has completed what he came here to do I think it could be different but the only way he's looking for a job at the moment is he's handed his P45 or we don't back him properly once the stadium is built and gate receipts are flowing.
 
This is a process, and one which Pochettino is only a part of; as well as he’s done, earning plaudits for his youth-integrating principles and style of play, he hasn’t actually won anything despite having the most complete first 11 in the league for about 3 seasons.

If he finishes the season trophyless again, it’s the ideal time to say goodbye; the Manchester clubs are getting stronger, Liverpool too, while Chelsea will likely hire another winner. Levy has to bring in a winner too, if he really wants to compete with that lot.

There are a load of them out there too - Simeone, Benitez, indeed Conte if he could be pursueded to decline the Milan job - all have won titles with less talent than Pochettino currently has at his disposal.

Pochettino isn’t doing Spurs a favour by being here, it’s been a mutually beneficial relationship that both parties have benefitted from.

He’s an Espanyol man, and would take great pleasure in knocking Barca off their perch; naturally that’s not going to happen with the ‘other’ Catalan club, so the next best thing is creating a Real Madrid dynasty.

Louis Van Gaal played a big part the early development of both the great Barcelona and Bayern teams of the last decade - didn’t actually win much directly, but created a platform upon which his successor could succeed, and I see something similar here with Pocchettino - give this team to a more pragmatic coach and the process will be complete.
 
Managers are not like players as Managers contracts are terminated at the whim of a chairman/owner. Zidane won the CL 2 years running and is in danger of the sack, Conti won the premiership and in danger of the sack. Now Fergie is retired only Wenger seems to be bulletproof in his job. Poch knows the biggest danger to his job is Levy sacks him. Having ruled out the Barca & Woolwich jobs as we are the 11th biggest club there are only 8 clubs bigger than us. His choice of club if sacked is limited to availability which is not great. If he moves to R Madrid how long would he last 2/3 years at best, then what?
Not sure moneywise how much extra he would earn but not as much difference as players would.
I think his decision will be based on how secure he feels with Levy which will depend on results to the end of the season. The Madrid job will come up again in 2/3 years time and yes Poch may no longer be considered good enough if his standing deteriorates.
Levy is the key and needs to make it clear Poch is safe and wanted although can any boss be trusted to keep his word.
Lets hope Zidane turns it around and a strong performance in the CL allows him to keep his job.
 
Pochettino needs to be backed by Levy in the same way Mourinho was backed by his chief executive Woodward.

If Pochettino has identified players who he feels can ad valorem then it is for Levy to ensure those players are bought.

If not then it makes any potential exit that bit easier to see happening soonee than later.
 
Pochettino needs to be backed by Levy in the same way Mourinho was backed by his chief executive Woodward.

If Pochettino has identified players who he feels can ad valorem then it is for Levy to ensure those players are bought.

If not then it makes any potential exit that bit easier to see happening soonee than later.
Pro tip. Using big words doesn't make you look smarter.

You could have just wrote "add value" rather than fucking ad valorem.

You didn't even use ad valorem properly since ad valorem is at tax and not a straight addition of value
 
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