Slightly o/T but every Canute is a gooner.
Too many to name but I will give a shout out to the biggest clowns around Free Gear and Red Jezza
Too many to name but I will give a shout out to the biggest clowns around Free Gear and Red Jezza
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Completely off topic.. Can do without politics in the football threads too.
Great win over West Ham and here is the Sky Sports lead on the match review article
“Tottenham mounted a comeback of their own after three goals in eight second-half minutes inspired a 4-1 victory over 10-player West Ham at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.”
This suggests West Ham played with 10 men, not just from the 86th minute when the match was already done.
“Tottenham mounted a comeback of their own after three goals in eight second-half minutes inspired a 4-1 victory over 10-player West Ham at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.”
This suggests West Ham played with 10 men, not just from the 86th minute when the match was already done.
The media bias against Spurs this season is so boring and devoid of any real critical thought, just load of lazy takes about conceding corners (2 this season) our defending (4th in xga) Romero's discipline (1st yellow card of the season yesterday) Solanke struggling at the club, Son not being consistent, Maddison not having a great season, Ange being naive blah blah I could go on but it's jarring and it tells you how bad football punditry and forced media narratives are.
Just constant bad take after bad take purely because of the narrative around the club that we're Spurs so we're naturally unfancied and written off and we have a manager who suffers the same fate so it's very easy to sneer at the club, they will use any shred of evidence to confirm their bias when it comes to analysing us - don't get me wrong some of the criticism is justified but people go way OTT and just forced, boring.
Just constant bad take after bad take purely because of the narrative around the club that we're Spurs so we're naturally unfancied and written off and we have a manager who suffers the same fate so it's very easy to sneer at the club, they will use any shred of evidence to confirm their bias when it comes to analysing us - don't get me wrong some of the criticism is justified but people go way OTT and just forced, boring.
I think we have conceded 2 goals from 50 conceded corners so far this season.
4% of corners conceded or 1 every 25 corners.
I understand historically 1 in 20 on average lead to goals and last season specifically was 4.5%, so we are a bit better than average.
Before the Villa game we had one of the best corner defending records in the league. It's still not bad now.
Sounds like you are describing a lot of people on here
This is one of the first pieces I've read in years where the writer seems to be on our side for a change (Danny Murphy rarely sings our praise, in my experience).
Real feel-good piece.
Tottenham are Premier League's comeback kings - how Spurs fought back to win at home, again
Former Tottenham midfielder and MOTD2 pundit Danny Murphy explains how Spurs fought back to beat Aston Villa, the eighth time this year they have won a home league game after conceding first.
www.bbc.co.uk
Real feel-good piece.
Would happily trade in the last two league cups and the '91 FA Cup to also have a European Cup in the cupboard and a last trophy of 1984.
I like that they display it. Galactico clubs win them many times.
A club like Villa should show it off with pride. Historically an important club in English football.
listening to the pre-match talk before our match on saturday morning they kept on about scoring 200 goals in 50 games, BUT no-one spoke about how many times we lost or how many points we got
they just want to kept that entertaining football tag on us, WELL I'm not entertained when we keep losing
they just want to kept that entertaining football tag on us, WELL I'm not entertained when we keep losing
Why do so many keep on telling that Joelinton's hand was close to his body when it certainly wasn't. True, it was a pass Bergvall should not have attempted but that doesn't negate the fact that is was a handball...
Dermot Gallagher is defending the "corrupted" VAR/refs in the EPL.
Dermot Gallagher talking to Sky Sports about these Spurs v Newcastle controversial incidents:
INCIDENT:
Anthony Gordon with the equaliser but should it have been ruled out for a Joelinton handball in the build up?
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“It’s the law, isn’t it.
“The law is asking, has he deliberately handled the ball?
“It didn’t directly lead to Joelinton [as it was Anthony Gordon who eventually got the goal] scoring, so it goes back to whether or not it was deliberate.
“When you watch it, his arm is in and down by his side.
“He can’t bring it in any further. There’s no doubt that the ball strikes it, so the argument is whether or not it is deliberate.
“The referee and the VAR said no, so whether they like it or not that is the law and they have to play on.
“I think his arm starts in an unnatural position but you could see quite clearly that he tries to bring his arm in. The law has changed to it being the scorer, but he wasn’t the scorer.
“People don’t like it, but that’s the law. He brings his arm in.”
INCIDENT:
Should Dan Burn have been given a second yellow and sent off? Referee Andy Madley gave Spurs a free kick for a Dan Burn handball, with the Newcastle defender already on a booking.
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“Handball is not a mandatory yellow card. He has to ask if it is breaking up a promising attack. I felt a little bit for Dan Burn as he is trying to bring his arm in.
“This is actually what players are trying to do now – make themselves smaller.
“I think it’s on the halfway line, and so the referee is right to just award the free-kick.”
INCIDENT:
Should Newcastle have had a penalty when Dejan Kulusevski clashed with Anthony Gordon in the box.
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“I have to hold my hand up here as when I saw this the first time around, I actually thought it was a penalty.
“A lot of times I think you should go with your gut reaction, but the guy is already there so what can he do? He can’t make himself invisible so I think they clash and the referee has actually got it right.”
Former Liverpool player Stephen Warnock:
“I actually think it is a penalty as I think Kulusevski has been kidded and Anthony Gordon has done him with a piece of skill. Now, that momentum has taken him into Gordon. Where is he meant to go?
“If it was his foot rather than his shoulder, it would have been a penalty.”
INCIDENT:
Should Joelinton have been red carded when his elbow made contact with Lucas Bergvall?
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“I don’t think it’s a red card. They’re close together and I don’t think he’s thrown it as a weapon. He’s too close to get any power behind it.”
Dermot Gallagher is defending the "corrupted" VAR/refs in the EPL.
Former top referee rules on these controversial Spurs v Newcastle incidents
North London on Saturday- Former top referee Dermot Gallagher rules on these controversial Spurs v Newcastle incidents.
www.themag.co.uk
Dermot Gallagher talking to Sky Sports about these Spurs v Newcastle controversial incidents:
INCIDENT:
Anthony Gordon with the equaliser but should it have been ruled out for a Joelinton handball in the build up?
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“It’s the law, isn’t it.
“The law is asking, has he deliberately handled the ball?
“It didn’t directly lead to Joelinton [as it was Anthony Gordon who eventually got the goal] scoring, so it goes back to whether or not it was deliberate.
“When you watch it, his arm is in and down by his side.
“He can’t bring it in any further. There’s no doubt that the ball strikes it, so the argument is whether or not it is deliberate.
“The referee and the VAR said no, so whether they like it or not that is the law and they have to play on.
“I think his arm starts in an unnatural position but you could see quite clearly that he tries to bring his arm in. The law has changed to it being the scorer, but he wasn’t the scorer.
“People don’t like it, but that’s the law. He brings his arm in.”
INCIDENT:
Should Dan Burn have been given a second yellow and sent off? Referee Andy Madley gave Spurs a free kick for a Dan Burn handball, with the Newcastle defender already on a booking.
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“Handball is not a mandatory yellow card. He has to ask if it is breaking up a promising attack. I felt a little bit for Dan Burn as he is trying to bring his arm in.
“This is actually what players are trying to do now – make themselves smaller.
“I think it’s on the halfway line, and so the referee is right to just award the free-kick.”
INCIDENT:
Should Newcastle have had a penalty when Dejan Kulusevski clashed with Anthony Gordon in the box.
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“I have to hold my hand up here as when I saw this the first time around, I actually thought it was a penalty.
“A lot of times I think you should go with your gut reaction, but the guy is already there so what can he do? He can’t make himself invisible so I think they clash and the referee has actually got it right.”
Former Liverpool player Stephen Warnock:
“I actually think it is a penalty as I think Kulusevski has been kidded and Anthony Gordon has done him with a piece of skill. Now, that momentum has taken him into Gordon. Where is he meant to go?
“If it was his foot rather than his shoulder, it would have been a penalty.”
INCIDENT:
Should Joelinton have been red carded when his elbow made contact with Lucas Bergvall?
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“I don’t think it’s a red card. They’re close together and I don’t think he’s thrown it as a weapon. He’s too close to get any power behind it.”
It isn’t just Dermot Gallagher, All the other guests on there, or all Sky Sports guests on other programmes or all MOTD pundits, or even any referee forum, where they are very quick to criticize:
Literally anybody that knows the laws know that the goal should have stood, and most of the complaints see to be well the law is wrong, and some then accept it, others somehow seem to think referees should have judged it differently purely because they gained an advantage, even though that is irrelevant by the laws.
Sorry we are in massive minority here, goal should definitely have stood, whether the law should change is different question, but nobody liked the law from a couple of years ago in respect of any handball in the build up, so it was changed.
And there was other very similar incidents over weekend, for example Palace goal against Chelsea had a ball hitting hand moment in build up also.
In fact where referees and based on Ref Watch on Sky today, the public seem to think the only major decision that was wrong was penalty against Kulusevski should have been given.
Literally anybody that knows the laws know that the goal should have stood, and most of the complaints see to be well the law is wrong, and some then accept it, others somehow seem to think referees should have judged it differently purely because they gained an advantage, even though that is irrelevant by the laws.
Sorry we are in massive minority here, goal should definitely have stood, whether the law should change is different question, but nobody liked the law from a couple of years ago in respect of any handball in the build up, so it was changed.
And there was other very similar incidents over weekend, for example Palace goal against Chelsea had a ball hitting hand moment in build up also.
In fact where referees and based on Ref Watch on Sky today, the public seem to think the only major decision that was wrong was penalty against Kulusevski should have been given.
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He clearly moved his hand to the ball. You can see it very clearly if you watch it the way VAR should have.
His hand moved from back to front to knock the ball and was deliberate handball. There is 100% space in the interpretation of the law for them to have disallowed the goal and they obviously should have.
Dermot:Why do so many keep on telling that Joelinton's hand was close to his body when it certainly wasn't. True, it was a pass Bergvall should not have attempted but that doesn't negate the fact that is was a handball...
Dermot Gallagher is defending the "corrupted" VAR/refs in the EPL.
Former top referee rules on these controversial Spurs v Newcastle incidents
North London on Saturday- Former top referee Dermot Gallagher rules on these controversial Spurs v Newcastle incidents.www.themag.co.uk
Dermot Gallagher talking to Sky Sports about these Spurs v Newcastle controversial incidents:
INCIDENT:
Anthony Gordon with the equaliser but should it have been ruled out for a Joelinton handball in the build up?
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“It’s the law, isn’t it.
“The law is asking, has he deliberately handled the ball?
“It didn’t directly lead to Joelinton [as it was Anthony Gordon who eventually got the goal] scoring, so it goes back to whether or not it was deliberate.
“When you watch it, his arm is in and down by his side.
“He can’t bring it in any further. There’s no doubt that the ball strikes it, so the argument is whether or not it is deliberate.
“The referee and the VAR said no, so whether they like it or not that is the law and they have to play on.
“I think his arm starts in an unnatural position but you could see quite clearly that he tries to bring his arm in. The law has changed to it being the scorer, but he wasn’t the scorer.
“People don’t like it, but that’s the law. He brings his arm in.”
INCIDENT:
Should Dan Burn have been given a second yellow and sent off? Referee Andy Madley gave Spurs a free kick for a Dan Burn handball, with the Newcastle defender already on a booking.
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“Handball is not a mandatory yellow card. He has to ask if it is breaking up a promising attack. I felt a little bit for Dan Burn as he is trying to bring his arm in.
“This is actually what players are trying to do now – make themselves smaller.
“I think it’s on the halfway line, and so the referee is right to just award the free-kick.”
INCIDENT:
Should Newcastle have had a penalty when Dejan Kulusevski clashed with Anthony Gordon in the box.
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“I have to hold my hand up here as when I saw this the first time around, I actually thought it was a penalty.
“A lot of times I think you should go with your gut reaction, but the guy is already there so what can he do? He can’t make himself invisible so I think they clash and the referee has actually got it right.”
Former Liverpool player Stephen Warnock:
“I actually think it is a penalty as I think Kulusevski has been kidded and Anthony Gordon has done him with a piece of skill. Now, that momentum has taken him into Gordon. Where is he meant to go?
“If it was his foot rather than his shoulder, it would have been a penalty.”
INCIDENT:
Should Joelinton have been red carded when his elbow made contact with Lucas Bergvall?
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“I don’t think it’s a red card. They’re close together and I don’t think he’s thrown it as a weapon. He’s too close to get any power behind it.”
His arm starts in an unnatural position (lol they’ve still never clarified how they justify what is and isn’t) THEN HE MOVES HIS HAND IN…
So Dermot, in the process of deliberately moving his hand in to hit the ball and gain an advantage from handling it, you still don’t see a deliberate handball and the goal was within the laws of the game??
Dermot is a complete joke. Everyone knows it.
Why do so many keep on telling that Joelinton's hand was close to his body when it certainly wasn't. True, it was a pass Bergvall should not have attempted but that doesn't negate the fact that is was a handball...
Dermot Gallagher is defending the "corrupted" VAR/refs in the EPL.
Former top referee rules on these controversial Spurs v Newcastle incidents
North London on Saturday- Former top referee Dermot Gallagher rules on these controversial Spurs v Newcastle incidents.www.themag.co.uk
Dermot Gallagher talking to Sky Sports about these Spurs v Newcastle controversial incidents:
INCIDENT:
Anthony Gordon with the equaliser but should it have been ruled out for a Joelinton handball in the build up?
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“It’s the law, isn’t it.
“The law is asking, has he deliberately handled the ball?
“It didn’t directly lead to Joelinton [as it was Anthony Gordon who eventually got the goal] scoring, so it goes back to whether or not it was deliberate.
“When you watch it, his arm is in and down by his side.
“He can’t bring it in any further. There’s no doubt that the ball strikes it, so the argument is whether or not it is deliberate.
“The referee and the VAR said no, so whether they like it or not that is the law and they have to play on.
“I think his arm starts in an unnatural position but you could see quite clearly that he tries to bring his arm in. The law has changed to it being the scorer, but he wasn’t the scorer.
“People don’t like it, but that’s the law. He brings his arm in.”
INCIDENT:
Should Dan Burn have been given a second yellow and sent off? Referee Andy Madley gave Spurs a free kick for a Dan Burn handball, with the Newcastle defender already on a booking.
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“Handball is not a mandatory yellow card. He has to ask if it is breaking up a promising attack. I felt a little bit for Dan Burn as he is trying to bring his arm in.
“This is actually what players are trying to do now – make themselves smaller.
“I think it’s on the halfway line, and so the referee is right to just award the free-kick.”
INCIDENT:
Should Newcastle have had a penalty when Dejan Kulusevski clashed with Anthony Gordon in the box.
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“I have to hold my hand up here as when I saw this the first time around, I actually thought it was a penalty.
“A lot of times I think you should go with your gut reaction, but the guy is already there so what can he do? He can’t make himself invisible so I think they clash and the referee has actually got it right.”
Former Liverpool player Stephen Warnock:
“I actually think it is a penalty as I think Kulusevski has been kidded and Anthony Gordon has done him with a piece of skill. Now, that momentum has taken him into Gordon. Where is he meant to go?
“If it was his foot rather than his shoulder, it would have been a penalty.”
INCIDENT:
Should Joelinton have been red carded when his elbow made contact with Lucas Bergvall?
DERMOT GALLAGHER:
“I don’t think it’s a red card. They’re close together and I don’t think he’s thrown it as a weapon. He’s too close to get any power behind it.”
They may as well have ask AFTV for their views
It wasn’t handball because Sarr and Bergvall didn’t completely fuck up two simple passes so the ball went nowhere near Jolinton’s moving hand.
Simple fucking passes.
Simple fucking passes.
I'm annoyed about the handball. It's one where if the ref had given it then VAR wouldn't overturn it. But if the ref misses it then the VAR can't really overturn it then either, because intent is subjective and therefore can't ever be a clear and obvious error. I blame the law / guidelines here rather than the officials. They've made it black and white for the goalscorer but it's still grey area for the APP.
Where I'm really annoyed is Joelinton. The ref clearly gave him a verbal "last chance" after his second hatchet job. Then let him get away with two more before finally pinging him on his 5th. That's beyond just poor officiating.
Where I'm really annoyed is Joelinton. The ref clearly gave him a verbal "last chance" after his second hatchet job. Then let him get away with two more before finally pinging him on his 5th. That's beyond just poor officiating.
What I don't get is how Burn who already got a booking for a foul breaking a counter attack, can then not receive another yellow for also breaking up a counter attack with a deliberate handball, made himself bigger. Why is mercy shown there?
Deliberate handball is a yellow, right? So the law is enforced by ref's interpretation /whim there, but strictly followed when its against us. If the goal had been disallowed, I don't think there would have been much drama about it, that is what gets me annoyed thinking about it.
I found this, copy pasted from the FA website
CAUTIONS FOR UNSPORTING BEHAVIOUR
There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour including if a player:
Deliberate handball is a yellow, right? So the law is enforced by ref's interpretation /whim there, but strictly followed when its against us. If the goal had been disallowed, I don't think there would have been much drama about it, that is what gets me annoyed thinking about it.
I found this, copy pasted from the FA website
CAUTIONS FOR UNSPORTING BEHAVIOUR
There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour including if a player:
- attempts to deceive the referee e.g. by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled (simulation)
- changes places with the goalkeeper during play or without the referee’s permission (see Law 3)
- commits in a reckless manner a direct free kick offence
- handles the ball to interfere with or stop a promising attack, except where the referee awards a penalty kick for a non-deliberate handball offence
- denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick for a non-deliberate handball offence
- commits any other offence which interferes with or stops a promising attack except where the referee awards a penalty kick for an offence which was an attempt to play the ball or for a challenge for the ball
- denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing an offence which was an attempt to play the ball or challenge for the ball and the referee awards a penalty kick
- handles the ball in an attempt to score a goal (whether or not the attempt is successful) or in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent a goal
- makes unauthorised marks on the field of play
- plays the ball when leaving the field of play after being given permission to leave
- shows a lack of respect for the game
- initiates a deliberate trick for the ball to be passed (including from a free kick or goal kick) to the goalkeeper with the head, chest, knee etc. to circumvent the Law, whether or not the goalkeeper touches the ball with the hands; the goalkeeper is cautioned if responsible for initiating the deliberate trick
- verbally distracts an opponent during play or at a restart