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Player Micky van de Ven

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Funny.
So many people on this very forum were screaming for ange to play him as a LB last season, with Romero and dragusin as CBs
Yes, I do remember that. I wonder if anyone else has forgotten that...
Agree. With a degree of sadness.

Never forget Ange picked VDV as LB in the cup and it was on his left side that VDV made a totally unnecessary intervention on the left side damaging his hamstring.

While I do suspect there is an element of VDV ( and Romero ) saying “fuck this shambles” ultimately the suicide football tactics are the primary thing that needs calling out.

Never forget that Ange picked VDV at LB... Never forget... Never forget... forget... forget...
Third. Why did he chuck Liverpool away with a dreadful set up ? Was that intentional. In three years Royle has not proved capable of being a left back / wing back or inverted left back. But he got picked there against Salah. Thats not chance, is it ? VDV inverted on the left with Dragusin surely makes more sense than Royle, and then he pulls Royle for Skipp…and so on and so forth, but even Son central and Kulusevski positioned on the right as a creative outlet, it kills the team, there has never once been any evidence that these players are good enough in that set up. It’s really odd, at the time it was odd. With hindsight it’s even worse. Gil came on for what reason ? How many times do we need to see this guy given 5 minutes of nothing ? Back to point 2, surely someone from the academy is worth 5 minutes ahead of George Harrison ?

VDV inverted at left back against Salah.

Where did Ange get these terrible ideas from :D

To be fair bk_spur bk_spur - to whom you were answering - has always thought playing VDV at LB is a bad idea.
 
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VDV needs to stop diving in at full pace as well. The amount of times he’s already got there and can just ease the man off the ball and get us back in possession but he wants to look like he’s saving us. Just gets the other team in possession up the pitch and I’ve seen him feel his hamstring a couple of times after too.
 
VDV needs to stop diving in at full pace as well. The amount of times he’s already got there and can just ease the man off the ball and get us back in possession but he wants to look like he’s saving us. Just gets the other team in possession up the pitch and I’ve seen him feel his hamstring a couple of times after too.
I've said before that playing him in a system that's reliant on his pace will not serve his overall development as a CB. He has explosive pace and can be dynamic with his ball progression, but there are aspects to his game that need a fair bit of work (as you suggest above) - positioning, awareness, and staying on his feet.

Thankfully he's still young, and hopefully the lasting damage hasn't been done.
 
Someone said The other day about Levy, probably being pissed off that these multi million pound assets were being managed properly.


Exclusive: Micky van de Ven pushed hard to be included in Spurs’ squad for the match against Elfsborg on January 30, after being left out for Leicester on January 26 - a decision that left him “extremely disappointed.”
The Dutch centre-back grew increasingly frustrated with repeated delays to his return. He believed he was fully fit as early as the week commencing January 13 but was held back from full training by the club’s medical staff.
Elfsborg was not initially earmarked as his comeback game, but pressure from Van de Ven led to a compromise. It was agreed that he would play 60 minutes, but after reporting cramps at half-time, he was substituted.
The following day (January 31), Van de Ven complained of “hamstring tightness” to the medical staff and has not returned to training since.
Spurs have launched an internal investigation into the handling of his injury, with senior figures concerned about the management of their multi-million-pound assets.

From The Athletic
So was Ange investigated
 
I've said before that playing him in a system that's reliant on his pace will not serve his overall development as a CB. He has explosive pace and can be dynamic with his ball progression, but there are aspects to his game that need a fair bit of work (as you suggest above) - positioning, awareness, and staying on his feet.

Thankfully he's still young, and hopefully the lasting damage hasn't been done.

Eh?

We have the most rapid CB in the fucking world. How have you reached the conclusion that it’s best not to put him in a system that uses his pace?
 
Eh?

We have the most rapid CB in the fucking world. How have you reached the conclusion that it’s best not to put him in a system that uses his pace?

Obvious what he means.

His pace is an advantage and a tool and it doesn't mean you put him in a low block, but you also shouldn't use his pace as a get out which the system relies on all the time, which Ange's system stupidly does.

Put him in a properly structured side with an effective system, and he wouldn't need to use his pace as much, however when he needs to use it, it's there and a potent weapon.

VDV has been hung out to dry by Ange, the fraudulent fucking fool.
 
Obvious what he means.

His pace is an advantage and a tool and it doesn't mean you put him in a low block, but you also shouldn't use his pace as a get out which the system relies on all the time, which Ange's system stupidly does.

Put him in a properly structured side with an effective system, and he wouldn't need to use his pace as much, however when he needs to use it, it's there and a potent weapon.

VDV has been hung out to dry by Ange, the fraudulent fucking fool.
great post.
 
25seconds in. This (I posted just after) made me wince, sprint and diving block, just after being fit enough to train again.

Why!

Maybe because you don't have all the information and the professionals working with him do have the information and aren't as dumb as you think?

Obviously, that could be wrong and they're just bumbling around with a 50m pound asset sending him straight into full intensity before his body is ready.
 
Funny.
So many people on this very forum were screaming for ange to play him as a LB last season, with Romero and dragusin as CBs

Still don't understand why Ange hasn't played Romero as a #6. That was absolutely established as fact on this forum as a genius idea. Ange and the coaches must be amateurs for not trying it. He probably has to sprint more as a CB as well. And CB sprints cause more injuries as well.
 
Maybe because you don't have all the information and the professionals working with him do have the information and aren't as dumb as you think?

Obviously, that could be wrong and they're just bumbling around with a 50m pound asset sending him straight into full intensity before his body is ready.

I do think people sometimes think these players roll straight off the treatment bed and into intense training straight away. no field work, no training without the ball, no training one on one with the physio, just chucked straight back into regular training with the group, with the intensity cracked up to 11 :angesmile2:
 
Maybe because you don't have all the information and the professionals working with him do have the information and aren't as dumb as you think?

Obviously, that could be wrong and they're just bumbling around with a 50m pound asset sending him straight into full intensity before his body is ready.
It just stinks of fitting all players to a single template. He gets high fives after, from Mason, if you watched.

It’s not a question of blaming coaches, or medics, it’s just lacking that “cotton wool” aspect, where a crucial £40m asset has had multiple recurrent injuries, known to be aggravated by exactly the movements shown at 24-30seconds (standing to sprint and diving at full sprint to block).

If he says he’s feeling fine and up to it, with medical support of such, put a ‘No full sprint and sudden body movement’ embargo on him.
 
I've said before that playing him in a system that's reliant on his pace will not serve his overall development as a CB. He has explosive pace and can be dynamic with his ball progression, but there are aspects to his game that need a fair bit of work (as you suggest above) - positioning, awareness, and staying on his feet.

Thankfully he's still young, and hopefully the lasting damage hasn't been done.
I always think of Nouradine Naybet who Ledly King says taught him that less running was preferable. That positioning and taking the ball cleanly was more effective. King was good but the North African taught him to read it way better.
 
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