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Player Mikey Moore

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Notabadsquad said:
Saka is fantastic and nowhere near Messi levels. Not many are/have been. I used him for ease and laziness.

Take your blinkers off re: Saka, who, however, has had a poor season by his standards.

Moore is nowhere bear Saka right now. Nowhere near.
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He's nowhere near Saka's level yet, of course he's not because Saka is a fair bit older and much more experienced but my personal view of Mikey is that he's more skillfull on the ball, he has better balance and better feet.
Because he's never been the quickest, he's learnt to get past players with quick feet and body movement.
It's not a comparison but there's something of Gazza in the way he moves with the ball.

I don't know if he'll reach the levels I hope he will but I honestly think he's got it all in his bag, so it's up to him and luck now.
 
McFlash said:
He's nowhere near Saka's level yet, of course he's not because Saka is a fair bit older and much more experienced but my personal view of Mikey is that he's more skillfull on the ball, he has better balance and better feet.
Because he's never been the quickest, he's learnt to get past players with quick feet and body movement.
It's not a comparison but there's something of Gazza in the way he moves with the ball.

I don't know if he'll reach the levels I hope he will but I honestly think he's got it all in his bag, so it's up to him and luck now.
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I think that playing with better players will bring him in a lot. Other posters have said, and I agree, that they often ignore Mikey and always seem to attack down their right. Better players will make better runs and Mikey can certainly see a pass , and deliver it. People go on about pace but lots of the better players are not flying machines.
 
McFlash said:
He's nowhere near Saka's level yet, of course he's not because Saka is a fair bit older and much more experienced but my personal view of Mikey is that he's more skillfull on the ball, he has better balance and better feet.
Because he's never been the quickest, he's learnt to get past players with quick feet and body movement.
It's not a comparison but there's something of Gazza in the way he moves with the ball.

I don't know if he'll reach the levels I hope he will but I honestly think he's got it all in his bag, so it's up to him and luck now.
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Character, self belief and opportunity. He's demonstrated he has the first 2, as Martin either overlooking him or playing him out of position could have dented both severely. He's now been given the opportunity and has shown his mettle.

Play him as a 10 and I truly think he'll be a Superstar.
 
Ionman34 said:
Character, self belief and opportunity. He's demonstrated he has the first 2, as Martin either overlooking him or playing him out of position could have dented both severely. He's now been given the opportunity and has shown his mettle.

Play him as a 10 and I truly think he'll be a Superstar.
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Yeah, he's a bright and determined young man, which you can see from his interviews.
He's also got a really supportive and grounded family around him who will help keep his feet on the ground.

He and Gray are similar in that regard and a stark contrast to the sorts of player who surround themselves with an entourage, agents and leeches all trying to suck their percentage off one kids talent.
That was one of the problems Edwards had when he was on the rise, he surrounded himself with bad people.
 
It’s strange to me that English sides are all being filled by massive blokes in midfield and in the fullback positions. I get the set piece angle, but anyone with eyes can see the best passing, possession and attacking team over the past couple of years has been PSG. The average size of their midfield is tiny compared to our league average.

Yet, every time they play an English side, they batter them (World club cup didn’t happen. It was ai). I’d maybe look at what they are doing and copy that.
 
McFlash said:
Yeah, he's a bright and determined young man, which you can see from his interviews.
He's also got a really supportive and grounded family around him who will help keep his feet on the ground.

He and Gray are similar in that regard and a stark contrast to the sorts of player who surround themselves with an entourage, agents and leeches all trying to suck their percentage off one kids talent.
That was one of the problems Edwards had when he was on the rise, he surrounded himself with bad people.
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Kane had the same.

I like to think that our academy players all watched how Kane conducted himself throughout his career, so they've seen what dedication to your craft and determination will reward you with.

From a physical perspective, Kane doesn't really have many of the tools to be an elite striker. Whilst he's fairly tall, he's not built like a tank and he has moderate pace. What he does have though is an exceptional Footballing brain, aligned with an unsurpassed dedication to improving himself.

Ronaldo had/has the same mentality.

If MM has seen and learnt that kind of dedication from Kane, his talent added to that will take him to the top.
 
Ionman34 said:
There's a place for the units, so long as you have the technical players to complement them.

What I find weird is that the game has been set up to favour technical players (minimal contact, Red cards for follow through s even if you win the ball), yet clubs are opting for exactly the type of players, and style of Football, that is most likely to be penalised, unless you're on of the "favoured" clubs of course.
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Ironically, it's partly the tiki-taka possession-based football that brought about the era of the monster-athlete who can press like a maniac
 
Ionman34 said:
Character, self belief and opportunity. He's demonstrated he has the first 2, as Martin either overlooking him or playing him out of position could have dented both severely. He's now been given the opportunity and has shown his mettle.

Play him as a 10 and I truly think he'll be a Superstar.
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Neither of those things really happened though.

He was given the chance and he wasn't anywhere near it. The vast majority of the time it takes time to settle into a team no matter how good a player you are.

His decision making, strength and defensive awareness were all severely lacking, it clicked under Rohl, but it was always going to click as he settled into the side and got to know all the players around him. He had 11 games under Martin and his first start was an OF game in his 4th match.

Mikey said it himself that he wasn't at the level earlier in the season.
 
The Mercurial No.10 said:
Neither of those things really happened though.

He was given the chance and he wasn't anywhere near it. The vast majority of the time it takes time to settle into a team no matter how good a player you are.

His decision making, strength and defensive awareness were all severely lacking, it clicked under Rohl, but it was always going to click as he settled into the side and got to know all the players around him. He had 11 games under Martin and his first start was an OF game in his 4th match.

Mikey said it himself that he wasn't at the level earlier in the season.
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He had 3 starts under Martin, 8 sub appearances for a total of 455 minutes. That's hardly giving him the opportunity.

Whilst I agree that it was always going to be difficult to gel straight away, MM himself has said that Rohl gave him more freedom to express himself, as opposed to Martin's rigid system.

In other words, Rohl gave him the opportunity to express himself, and look where they both are now.
 
I think Mikey Moores youtube video was a good watch and seemed to show somebody who was not "in awe" of the wider football stage, he seemed really grounded and a decent young man. I hope he develops into a top player for Tottenham, i just wonder if he will be loaned out further next season or given a chance.
 
McFlash said:
He's nowhere near Saka's level yet, of course he's not because Saka is a fair bit older and much more experienced but my personal view of Mikey is that he's more skillfull on the ball, he has better balance and better feet.
Because he's never been the quickest, he's learnt to get past players with quick feet and body movement.
It's not a comparison but there's something of Gazza in the way he moves with the ball.

I don't know if he'll reach the levels I hope he will but I honestly think he's got it all in his bag, so it's up to him and luck now.
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Saka at Moore's age was objectively much better. Come on.
 
AberdeenYid said:
It’s strange to me that English sides are all being filled by massive blokes in midfield and in the fullback positions. I get the set piece angle, but anyone with eyes can see the best passing, possession and attacking team over the past couple of years has been PSG. The average size of their midfield is tiny compared to our league average.

Yet, every time they play an English side, they batter them (World club cup didn’t happen. It was ai). I’d maybe look at what they are doing and copy that.
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Thing is- you need to be good enough to dominate possession enough to make it viable. And that means you need the very best small midfielders.

Less good teams with less skilled midfields will get punished more.

I do agree there is more room for clubs like PSG though. Vitinha for me is simply the best CM in existence right now, hands down.
 
FightingIllini said:
Ah fuck I miscalculated my years.

Then yeah, Saka was at a higher level. Though he was playing a lot of LB that year, it was the next one where he really blew up.
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I love Mikey, but there's levels sadly. If he's even 80% of the player than we're onto a winner.

Saka did play a lot of that season as a LB you're right about that.

And I misworded what I meant to say. Saka played 38 times that season, he'd already made a handful of performances before that. But Moore had played more for Spurs younger.
 
Ionman34 said:
He had 3 starts under Martin, 8 sub appearances for a total of 455 minutes. That's hardly giving him the opportunity.

Whilst I agree that it was always going to be difficult to gel straight away, MM himself has said that Rohl gave him more freedom to express himself, as opposed to Martin's rigid system.

In other words, Rohl gave him the opportunity to express himself, and look where they both are now.
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He had a heart scare and wasn't allowed to train.

Here's where he admits he was miles off it.
www.dailyrecord.co.uk

Mikey Moore meets dreaded Rangers scenario as he makes major trophy vow

The 18-year-old has been electric during his season-long loan from Tottenham Hotspur as he dreams of title glory
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FightingIllini said:
Even among wunderkinds, very few reach Saka's level.

But Mikey has done really really well for his age 18 season. Went from lost to looking a natural in senior football, terrorizing shit defenses. That's a big step.
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That's what I was getting at when I said there were levels. It's a silly comparison to make just. One is world class, one might be, but as you say, very, very few reach Saka's level, so comparing Mikey to him does him no favours.
 
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