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Player Mikey Moore

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Richard Arlison said:
Messi wasn’t playing regular 90’s at 17.
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Barca were injecting an underdeveloped messi with growth hormone to aid him physically and he still made 9 appearances after a debut at 17 and 3 months

At 18 the next season he was a regular

Rooney let’s park that shall we

Saka is a poor go to …. In every metric he’s been overplayed by club and country yet …. Here he his performing to world class standard hardly ever injured
So as it stands I’d put Saka in the column for my argument

Ronaldo 31 appearances after making his debut at 17 is another that’s confounding those studies … still playing isn’t he ?

A very slight modric full seasons from age 18 to still playing today
Richard Arlison said:
Encouraging thing is vs West Ham he looked much closer to the level physically than he has done all season.
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Spare me ffs …. You looked at him v West Ham and thought he looked any different to 8 weeks ago … what nonsense is this

The encouraging thing was he came on didn’t look out of place in men’s football and showed moments of quality

What he also did was demonstrate that other than shoehorning in some no-mark loanee there’s been no reason to not play him
 
You can’t really compare young players like for like. They’re all individuals. Plenty of very good players were nowhere near getting minutes at this level at 17. They just developed later.

Unfortunately you just have to trust the so called experts that are managing the players development. That’s why I hope he gets better coaches and a better manager to work with. 18-21 are the ages you really want that and Moore is entering that age bracket.
 
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It’s also a bit tedious when people keep using the same examples of young players to compare. It’s always Owen, Rooney, Messi, Ronaldo etc.

What about Scholes, Beckham, Gerrard and all the other very good players who played virtually no PL football at 17/18? A fella called Kane has done quite well, he was fucking miles from the first team at 17/18. Moore is actually well ahead of most young players in development terms.

I think right now we are a bit desperate for a new star. If this was the Poch 2017 team we wouldn’t be as concerned about Moores minutes as we are now.
 
TonySoprano said:
It’s also a bit tedious when people keep using the same examples of young players to compare. It’s always Owen, Rooney, Messi, Ronaldo etc.

What about Scholes, Beckham, Gerrard and all the other very good players who played virtually no PL football at 17/18? A fella called Kane has done quite well, he was fucking miles from the first team at 17/18. Moore is actually well ahead of most young players in development terms.

I think right now we are a bit desperate for a new star. If this was the Poch 2017 team we wouldn’t be as concerned about Moores minutes as we are now.
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Moore looks way better technically and in terms of decision making compared to most of our players but he still looks like he needs a bit more core strength at this level but he is 17 and clearly not done with puberty.

You get freaks like Rooney and Lamal who are men at 16, most aren’t. I have seen enough of Moore to think if he isn’t a top draw winger by 20-22 it will be a huge disappointment considering his clear talent. Club need to work on his power and explosiveness.

The good news is generally players with brains and skill make it to the elite of the elite and he has that.
 
The main issue with Moore is we really need a 19-20 year old Moore right now not a 17 year old who needs physical development.
 
I'm definitely going to be alone with this view but I don't get what all the fuss is with Moore. He's not a pacey or tricky player... he just looks tidy with the ball but for what he's done with the minutes he's been given I can't remember thinking to myself "fuck me, he's gonna be some player"... I can imagine he dominated the younger age groups because he was bigger and stronger but without that advantage he just looks like your average mid table Premier League player. I get players develop at different speeds but Woolwich have had 2-3 players promoted to the first team this season, one of which is now in the England squad and the other two look brilliant prospects. If Moore was elite he'd be doing elite things. I'm probably being harsh but it's just my perception. The last elite player we had through the academy was probably Kane and before that it was Ledders. That's two in 29 years. That's piss poor for a club with our facilities.
 
_mehstg said:
I'm definitely going to be alone with this view but I don't get what all the fuss is with Moore. He's not a pacey or tricky player... he just looks tidy with the ball but for what he's done with the minutes he's been given I can't remember thinking to myself "fuck me, he's gonna be some player"... I can imagine he dominated the younger age groups because he was bigger and stronger but without that advantage he just looks like your average mid table Premier League player. I get players develop at different speeds but Woolwich have had 2-3 players promoted to the first team this season, one of which is now in the England squad and the other two look brilliant prospects. If Moore was elite he'd be doing elite things. I'm probably being harsh but it's just my perception.
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_mehstg said:
The last elite player we had through the academy was probably Kane and before that it was Ledders. That's two in 29 years. That's piss poor for a club with our facilities.
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...and look how long it took Kane to 'click'!
 
RealCoolYid said:
Barca were injecting an underdeveloped messi with growth hormone to aid him physically and he still made 9 appearances after a debut at 17 and 3 months

At 18 the next season he was a regular

Rooney let’s park that shall we

Saka is a poor go to …. In every metric he’s been overplayed by club and country yet …. Here he his performing to world class standard hardly ever injured
So as it stands I’d put Saka in the column for my argument

Ronaldo 31 appearances after making his debut at 17 is another that’s confounding those studies … still playing isn’t he ?

A very slight modric full seasons from age 18 to still playing today

Spare me ffs …. You looked at him v West Ham and thought he looked any different to 8 weeks ago … what nonsense is this

The encouraging thing was he came on didn’t look out of place in men’s football and showed moments of quality

What he also did was demonstrate that other than shoehorning in some no-mark loanee there’s been no reason to not play him
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Saka just popped his hammy and limps off the pitch most games at 23 years of age.

His ceiling is certainly world class but right now he’s not on the level with those PSG forwards and imo the amount of football he’s played at this age isn’t going to help him get there.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Saka just popped his hammy and limps off the pitch most games at 23 years of age.

His ceiling is certainly world class but right now he’s not on the level with those PSG forwards and imo the amount of football he’s played at this age isn’t going to help him get there.
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Overplaying Saka is not the reason he's not at the level of the PSG forwards. They have magic in their boots, he doesn't.

Saka is very good physically/defensively, is super efficient and technically clean but he doesn't have that... magic. He never will. That's what separates great players from the genius talents.
 
_mehstg said:
I'm definitely going to be alone with this view but I don't get what all the fuss is with Moore. He's not a pacey or tricky player... he just looks tidy with the ball but for what he's done with the minutes he's been given I can't remember thinking to myself "fuck me, he's gonna be some player"... I can imagine he dominated the younger age groups because he was bigger and stronger but without that advantage he just looks like your average mid table Premier League player. I get players develop at different speeds but Woolwich have had 2-3 players promoted to the first team this season, one of which is now in the England squad and the other two look brilliant prospects. If Moore was elite he'd be doing elite things. I'm probably being harsh but it's just my perception. The last elite player we had through the academy was probably Kane and before that it was Ledders. That's two in 29 years. That's piss poor for a club with our facilities.
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He's a tad overhyped but I have been impressed by his passing and decision making more than I have his 1v1 or goal threat.

Definitely a unique talent at 17 though. Hopefully he builds on it next season.
 
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VonnegutBusy said:
Overplaying Saka is not the reason he's not at the level of the PSG forwards. They have magic in their boots, he doesn't.

Saka is very good physically/defensively, is super efficient and technically clean but he doesn't have that... magic. He never will. That's what separates great players from the genius talents.
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He’s still 23 though. Should have loads more room to improve but mainly physically I agree

Thing is, the amount of football they have him playing, they need to be careful that he’s still got the juice left in his legs by the time he gets there.
 
VonnegutBusy said:
He's a tad overhyped but I have been impressed by his passing and decision making more than I have his 1v1 or goal threat.

Definitely a unique talent at 17 though. Hopefully he builds on it next season.
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I'm not sure about decision making but Moore not unique here... nearly all PL players are conservative with their decision making for fear of losing the ball... Dele was the last player we had that took the odd risk... the no look pass, the outrageous bit of skill, running ahead of the ball etc... we don't really have any players like that anymore. Maybe Madders when he's the mood.
 
I'm less convinced by the kid than some. Clearly he some ability, I just wonder if he lacks a bit athletically and tactically. It looks to me like he's clearly advanced in his physical development and has used this well at youth level, I'm not totally convinced he's going to find it as easy against the grown men and athletes of the PL, and I'm not sure he's got that burst of speed required to make his ability really count for elite. Bit like Grealish. Ability but lacking the speed/dexterity to really make the very best use of it. Moore, like Grealish, could still finesse a decent career out of the ability, but might hold him back from being top top level.

If we end up with a better bunch of forward options next year (big fucking IF) then a loan to a Bundesliga team wouldn't be a bad idea, get him playing most weeks in a good environment to develop.
 
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WellingtonSpur said:

View: https://www.instagram.com/p/DJmw32wAAxq/?igsh=eHRlZ3h5dHZreDly

Can see why Dortmund would be linked/interested (fits their model) but surely we wouldn’t be interested in a sale? A Prem loan next season might do him good if it means regular playing time?
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While we might not be interested in selling, Moore could be interested in leaving.

There were rumours a month or so ago that he and his agent were considering pushing for a move because of "unfulfilled promises" of first team involvement made at the start of the season.
 
I must admit I kinda miss the old days before the internet when young players were just left to develop at their own pace. Now we have online threads dedicated to children and teenagers who really don’t need so much scrutiny.
 
VonnegutBusy said:
Overplaying Saka is not the reason he's not at the level of the PSG forwards. They have magic in their boots, he doesn't.

Saka is very good physically/defensively, is super efficient and technically clean but he doesn't have that... magic. He never will. That's what separates great players from the genius talents.
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Rubbish.

Saka is simply a very very good player.

Every team in Europe would be in for him if Woolwich were willing to sell.

Every one.
 
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