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Nutter-Naylor said:
Why do all the posters in favour of a 'charge what the market will bear' policy keep using emotive words like poverty and protest to support their arguments when no-one taking a more empathetic stance has used those words?
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Personally I thought The Trust had mentioned a protest, maybe I was mistaken.

One question I would ask is why they haven’t, if they haven’t? Why are they running to the Guardian, as if that will do anything to help.
And why they didn’t two or three years ago, for the thousands of fans who were priced out then...?
 
This is going round in circles.

Basically there are 2 camps.

1. Fuck those that can't afford to pay more, it is just free market economics.

2. Have some empathy for those Yids that will find a 40-60% price hike a struggle.

I know which one i am happier to be in.
 
Nutter-Naylor said:
This is going round in circles.

Basically there are 2 camps.

1. Fuck those that can't afford to pay more, it is just free market economics.

2. Have some empathy for those Yids that will find a 40-60% price hike a struggle.

I know which one i am happier to be in.
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Seems there are people in “camp 2” now, who were in “camp 1” for the last 20 years giving a big “fuck you” to the Yids who struggled with previous price hikes.

I find it odd that people in “camp 2” were under the impression that every Spurs fan could afford an ST two years ago.
Or maybe they just didn’t give a fuck because they could.
 
Nutter-Naylor said:
This is going round in circles.

Basically there are 2 camps.

1. Fuck those that can't afford to pay more, it is just free market economics.

2. Have some empathy for those Yids that will find a 40-60% price hike a struggle.

I know which one i am happier to be in.
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It's not as polar as that. I think everyone has empathy with those who will struggle, but that doesn't mean that we should be protesting.

I think the prices are too high, but any and every price rise is met by hyperbolic rage so I'm not surprised the club isn't really taking this version seriously. In fact, I seem to remember a bunch of rage each time the club froze prices, claiming the club should have reduced them. There was a bunch of rage when Wembley prices came out too, remember that? For some reason people thought a Wembley ST would be £300 just because the club were extremely generous over their previous cup ticketing there.
 
Nutter-Naylor said:
This is going round in circles.

Basically there are 2 camps.

1. Fuck those that can't afford to pay more, it is just free market economics.

2. Have some empathy for those Yids that will find a 40-60% price hike a struggle.

I know which one i am happier to be in.
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I am no leftie but I hate this free market bollocks argument.

The supporter/club relationship is not a normal brand/consumer relationship, as a consumer if I can get a better product at a cheaper price then the free market principle is that I should change brands.

So by their logic if I am paying the highest season ticket price in the country for a 6th placed team, then there is nothing wrong with swapping for a Man City season ticket the next year.

Football doesn't work like that. In truth the loyalty we show towards football clubs is often illogical but this helps clubs to stay afloat during the bad times and it should be a two way thing and not exploited by the club during good times.

When companies like Woolworths were going to the tits, I never saw customers standing outside rattling buckets encouraging other customers to dig deep to save the brand.
 
Paul Allen's Omen said:
I am no leftie but I hate this free market bollocks argument.

The supporter/club relationship is not a normal brand/consumer relationship, as a consumer if I can get a better product at a cheaper price then the free market principle is that I should change brands.

So by their logic if I am paying the highest season ticket price in the country for a 6th placed team, then there is nothing wrong with swapping for a Man City season ticket the next year.

Football doesn't work like that. In truth the loyalty we show towards football clubs is often illogical but this helps clubs to stay afloat during the bad times and it should be a two way thing and not exploited by the club during bad times.

When companies like Woolworths were going to the tits, I never saw customers standing outside rattling buckets encouraging other customers to dig deep to save the brand.
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Did you care about fans priced out in 2015 or did you just buy your ST, think “oh I can afford that” and off you went to WHL
 
Paul Allen's Omen said:
I am no leftie but I hate this free market bollocks argument.

The supporter/club relationship is not a normal brand/consumer relationship, as a consumer if I can get a better product at a cheaper price then the free market principle is that I should change brands.

So by their logic if I am paying the highest season ticket price in the country for a 6th placed team, then there is nothing wrong with swapping for a Man City season ticket the next year.

Football doesn't work like that. In truth the loyalty we show towards football clubs is often illogical but this helps clubs to stay afloat during the bad times and it should be a two way thing and not exploited by the club during good times.

When companies like Woolworths were going to the tits, I never saw customers standing outside rattling buckets encouraging other customers to dig deep to save the brand.
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Same. I don't think anyone has ever accused me of being left of centre but by the same token, I am definitely not in the 'charge what you can get away with' camp either.

I am quite surprised how many on here are.
 
Nick "Trevor" Sharp said:
It's not as polar as that. I think everyone has empathy with those who will struggle, but that doesn't mean that we should be protesting.

I think the prices are too high, but any and every price rise is met by hyperbolic rage so I'm not surprised the club isn't really taking this version seriously. In fact, I seem to remember a bunch of rage each time the club froze prices, claiming the club should have reduced them. There was a bunch of rage when Wembley prices came out too, remember that? For some reason people thought a Wembley ST would be £300 just because the club were extremely generous over their previous cup ticketing there.
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There isn't any protest. Just Yids talking shit on football forums and anti-social media.

Of course fans will make compromises in their lifestyle or job commitments to be able to afford to watch Spurs. Doesn't make it right that they have to.
 
Paul Allen's Omen said:
No I thought this is madness I shouldn't really be buying this, going to have to make a saving elsewhere and do more overtime.
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And then bought the ticket....that’s the point.

It’s expensive, and it’s a shame that some can’t afford it, despite the option to pay it off over ten months.

But the fact is, you bought your ST and off you went. Some couldn’t.
Did that mean you thought “fuck them”?

There are people in “camp 2” who will buy an ST.....how does that help anyone? It doesn’t does it. Most people sympathise in fact I’d say everyone does, but come August will anyone care?

And by care I don’t mean saying “oh this is bad”. For all the hot air from the trust, they will all by an ST and go. Did it help anyone by moaning about something you are willing to pay for and support.
 
Blanchflower said:
The tickets are affordable, that's why people are buying them.

They just aren't affordable to some people.......and £1 a ticket would be too much for others.

Your talking about a double standard.
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One part of the argument that surprises me is the uproar at the new prices when I always thought the old prices were some of the most expensive in football already.
Not saying it makes it right, but I couldn't justify those prices before and still can't now.
 
Nutter-Naylor said:
So if someone didn' protest about any given topic in the past they shouldn't be allowed to now? If you didn't protest against the illegal war in Iraq in the 1990s you shouldn't protest if it happened again?

Silly argument.
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But as you keep saying there is no protest...

Of course they should, but they aren’t. They will buy an ST, support the regime and help no one.

Mouthing off in the Guardian is pointless.
“These prices are a disgrace.....oooh look how fun the interactive map is where shall I sit!!!!”
 
sammyspurs said:
Did that mean you thought “fuck them”?
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I never thought 'fuck them' on any product that I have purchased, that I knew others couldn't afford.

I just about managed to squeeze onto the property market with a mortgage, doesn't mean I don't give a shit about those stuck on the rent market or that it denies me the right to complain about property prices being too high.

This is all getting a bit weird now.
 
Paul Allen's Omen said:
I never thought 'fuck them' on any product that I have purchased, that I knew others couldn't afford.

I just about managed to squeeze onto the property market with a mortgage, doesn't mean I don't give a shit about those stuck on the rent market or that it denies me the right to complain about property prices being too high.

This is all getting a bit weird now.
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Well exactly.
I’m not sure why people who feel the prices aren’t that bad are being accused of not caring about anyone else but themselves that’s all.
 
sammyspurs said:
Well exactly.
I’m not sure why people who feel the prices aren’t that bad are being accused of not caring about anyone else but themselves that’s all.
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Because they have basically said 'pay up and shut up'.

Someone on the average annual income in the UK was paying 3.2% of their annual disposable income on an ST and that has now increased to 4.5%. Not much for most maybe but the straw that might break the camels back for some.

Fuck 'em. More cheese for me.
 
Nutter-Naylor said:
Because they have basically said 'pay up and shut up'.

Someone on the average annual income in the UK was paying 3.2% of their annual disposable income on an ST and that has now increased to 4.5%. Not much for most maybe but the straw that might break the camels back for some.

Fuck 'em. More cheese for me.
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This is what concerns me is that nothing has been said about price freezes for next year. If the demand is still there and the football is good, can the club get away with a 5% increase every year? All of a sudden a £1,200 season ticket becomes closer to £1,500 by the time the next world cup comes round.
 
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