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I'm also in the mbappe is overrated camp.
He's fast, but fast with a ball at your feet is a different proposition.
He's fast, but fast with a ball at your feet is a different proposition.
Simple question, if I come to you and offer you £500,000 a week to play football at my club and your currently earning £100,000 and City also come in for you but offer you £250,000 a week. But my changing rooms and training ground aren't quite so glitzy which you are you taking?Totally disagree with this.
One of the biggest legitimate complaints laid at the door of Ashley is that he didn't invest at all in Newcastle's infrastructure. Not a penny has been spent on the stadium in nearly 30yrs and their training ground is one of the worst in not just PL but Championship too!
Their fans have been non-stop complaining about this state of affairs too, so it's rubbish to say they "don't give a shit" when evidence to the complete opposite exits.
Those "top players" that they will want to bring in are also being courted by PSG, Man City, Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, Real Madrid. The next tier down of Spurs, Juventus, Woolwich, Bayern (I've put Bayern in this tier and not above because all they seem to do is take from other Bundesliga Clubs like Dortmund and now RB), Barca(??), Dortmund. Every single one of these Clubs has established elite infrastructure from the stadium to training grounds.
So, if you are a player looking to play for an elite club now Newcastle sure as hell ain't the club you will be choosing. In fact, if you were say Saint-Maximin at Newcastle now and anyone of those Clubs came in for you you would be off like a shot (even if wages were matched). Why would he stick around for a project that will take a decade to come to fruition when the possibility of joining an elite or 2nd their elite club now? A footballers career is a short one.
Also, none of these Clubs are going anywhere. City is a good example to look at, they have laid the groundwork for the revenues to stream in, an academy that's established and a worldwide club network for players to be transferred between their franchises etc. This has taken 13yrs and we've yet to see the true benefit of that infrastructure kick in yet (maybe Foden and Sancho are the two successes of the academy and they couldn't hold onto Sancho).
But however you look at this they absolutely have to build an infrasture that enables them to compete with PSG, City and the rest because that's the reality that they will be facing when fighting over the same players and this is even assuming that Newcastle is at a comparable level and the player is making his mid up over what team will give him his best prospects.
What is the unique selling point that Newcastle offers the players/coaches that they wouldn't get at all those other Clubs mentioned?
People thinking that this is going to happen in 3yrs are getting totally carried away with this circus, it took City 6yrs to win PL part of this was accelerated by the infrastructure that was put in place, a new stadium (paid for by the taxpayer) & a brand new academy and an investment of approx £1.5b to underpin it all. (It's been 9yrs since the Qatari's took over PSG and like City haven't won a CL yet, they've dominated the domestic league because there's no competition to them unlike there is in PL).
Also these new owners want to win titles they are ambitious, they want to make Newcastle the biggest club on the planet. So they will be buying 5 or 6 players and offering them all insane wages and telling them all of their ambition.
They aren't going to be slowed down or inhibited by a lack of previous investment in infrastructure.
That's just wishful thinking.
The only thing that might slow them down a little is if they go down this season.
If it was me I would go to City. Infrastructure is key. Location location location.
You may attract one or two names that will overlook the shit infrastructure and slovenly training ground. But most players that operate in that price range are incredibly pampered and are expecting to be pampered at their new location as well. That includes a modern, world class training ground with all the recovery tools available to modern sports medicine.
I think things like Training Ground/Stadium are only difference makers in attracting a player when everything else is pretty much equal between the bidders, if one was offering double the wages then 9 times out of 10 the player would go there.
Look at our facilities, if they were really such a big part in a players decision over other factors then we should be beating new signings off with a stick. Many players might gush about the quality of the facilities after signing, but they kind of have to say good things about the club they have joined and they can hardly brag about the wages they have been given, or talk gleefully about the trophies they expect t win with us can they?
But I doubt Newcastle would be offering double the wages anyway, that would be absurd, however they won't be in a position to offer guaranteed competition for trophies for a few years yet, and their geographical location in the country might count against them against the Manchester clubs and Chelsea, and there is nothing they can do about that. Though many players will probably just suck it up and live with the wildlings for a few years whilst raking in a ridiculous wage anyway.
It will be a few years of taking their pick of the not quite top level talent, working their way up the food chain and then once they are in and around CL places they will be able to ditch the lesser players and replace with the types City/Chelsea are competing for. It's inevitable IMO, just a question of how quickly they manage to get their.
In the medium term it's probably a bigger issue for us than City, Chelsea, Utd and (possibly) Liverpool, as that level of not quite top player is where we generally shop, and so we will most likely lose out on a few prime targets to them.
In the short term though, we might be able to ditch some of our deadwood onto them for decent money, depending on how dumb they are. And the better players that go there immediately are likely to be only after the money or past their best.
Totally disagree with this.
One of the biggest legitimate complaints laid at the door of Ashley is that he didn't invest at all in Newcastle's infrastructure. Not a penny has been spent on the stadium in nearly 30yrs and their training ground is one of the worst in not just PL but Championship too!
Their fans have been non-stop complaining about this state of affairs too, so it's rubbish to say they "don't give a shit" when evidence to the complete opposite exits.
Those "top players" that they will want to bring in are also being courted by PSG, Man City, Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea, Real Madrid. The next tier down of Spurs, Juventus, Woolwich, Bayern (I've put Bayern in this tier and not above because all they seem to do is take from other Bundesliga Clubs like Dortmund and now RB), Barca(??), Dortmund. Every single one of these Clubs has established elite infrastructure from the stadium to training grounds.
So, if you are a player looking to play for an elite club now Newcastle sure as hell ain't the club you will be choosing. In fact, if you were say Saint-Maximin at Newcastle now and anyone of those Clubs came in for you you would be off like a shot (even if wages were matched). Why would he stick around for a project that will take a decade to come to fruition when the possibility of joining an elite or 2nd their elite club now? A footballers career is a short one.
Also, none of these Clubs are going anywhere. City is a good example to look at, they have laid the groundwork for the revenues to stream in, an academy that's established and a worldwide club network for players to be transferred between their franchises etc. This has taken 13yrs and we've yet to see the true benefit of that infrastructure kick in yet (maybe Foden and Sancho are the two successes of the academy and they couldn't hold onto Sancho).
But however you look at this they absolutely have to build an infrasture that enables them to compete with PSG, City and the rest because that's the reality that they will be facing when fighting over the same players and this is even assuming that Newcastle is at a comparable level and the player is making his mid up over what team will give him his best prospects.
What is the unique selling point that Newcastle offers the players/coaches that they wouldn't get at all those other Clubs mentioned?
People thinking that this is going to happen in 3yrs are getting totally carried away with this circus, it took City 6yrs to win PL part of this was accelerated by the infrastructure that was put in place, a new stadium (paid for by the taxpayer) & a brand new academy and an investment of approx £1.5b to underpin it all. (It's been 9yrs since the Qatari's took over PSG and like City haven't won a CL yet, they've dominated the domestic league because there's no competition to them unlike there is in PL).
I think it is because people see the figures of how much they are worth more than the City owners and think that crazy amount of money will make things happen quicker. Plus the purchase is a good excuse to hit out club with negativity and moaning of course, which people revel in and love.
It is quite amazing how many of our fans constantly overlook this.
In the Daily Mail today it sounds like Lampard doesn't fancy the job. Running out of options already, probably the reason Bruce hasn't been sacked yet.
It's a tricky one..... Very few will want to sign up for a relegation battle apart from a so-called 'relegation specialist' or someone with no rep to gamble with.
It's almost as if a short-termist solution is all they have... e.g. Get Fat Sam on a huge bonus incentive and give him whatever trf dosh he wants and burn it knowing that they'll all have to be replaced over the next 12 months anyway.
I'd like to think that the Saudis are closet Sunderland fans and have only bought Newcashle in order to wreck the club from within.
Conte and Howe set to turn down Newcastle as two others touted for mangerial role
Antonio Conte and Eddie Howe would turn down the chance to take over the richest football club in the world, according to reports.
www.football365.com
.........Kinda echoes the above sentiment.
Please make this happen. Please. I would never stop laughing if they got rid of Bruce and in came Sam. Imagine their fans have been dreaming of Conte and then in comes the gravy addict riding on a white horse to save the day.
It would be absolutely priceless.
The size of that head, it will take 2 people to do it.
A job for Pep- he likes these kind of ‘money no object’ teams - gives him a chance to show how good he really is working with one or two okay players before he can pick from the elite of the elite.
Of course, he won’t because, you know…he’s a bald wanker.
Of course, he won’t because, you know…he’s a bald wanker.
Sorry mate you are just making up stuff, what you claim isn't substantiated as a) happened b) going to happen.
So, let's try and bring some level of reality into this. Mbappe is set to leave PSG so can join his next club on a free in the summer. Is he going to join Real Madrid or Newcastle? He no doubt will also have other Clubs City, Man U who could also afford his wages. The reality to this situation is that whatever Newcastle can afford to pay him in wages it will and can be matched by those other clubs. Why the fuck would he go to Newcastle when he can go to any number of 5 or 6 Clubs that are currently challenging for their domestic league championship and CL championships? Apply this to Haaland too.
They can have everything at the existing elite Clubs, salary, enhanced Imagerights earnings through a Worldwide established fanbase and an existing army of commercial sponsorships already in place, and yes an infrastructure of absolute state of the art training complexes (where they spend 95% of their working employ at). There isn't anything that Newcastle can offer these players that the existing elite can.
They will still arguably struggle to keep hold of players like Saint-Maxim, who I would say is their best player, if any of the big 6 want him then he has a better chance of winning stuff at any of them than Newcastle and will be paid similar wages should Newcastle match them.
What have these new Newcastle owners said that Sulivan and Gold haven't said publicly? The answer: nothing different at all, well apart from the fact that the actual new owners haven't said a fucking thing themselves, the mouthpiece is from a 10% owner and her husband.
Whilst I've not got a clue about FFP actually working these days, Newcastle's revenue would be (assuming a full uninterrupted year at the new stadium + events) approx +£300m less than ours (there's a smaller difference separating us and Real Madrid)!!! The key to the infrastructure projects such as stadiums is that this brings in a revenue stream that enables clubs to spend more on players as a % of income (whilst the investment to build the infrastructure is NOT included in the FFP limits). So it IS a massive hurdle for them to overcome and why it will take them years to accumulate the revenue stream required for them to spend as you and the media are expecting. (Obviously, if FFP is totally fucked and non-existent then they can just plough ahead but they still have to convince top players to join a project rather than an existing institution that currently competing and has everything in place already at it's disposal).
Just seen it posted elsewhere that because Ashley underinvested for years, they are in credit, so to speak with FFP, so are free to splash a bit of cash without risk.
Oh what joy ...
Oh what joy ...
Ashley should be lauded as an idiot savant by Newcastle fans. He has prepared them perfectly for oil club life
Yet another manager turns them down.