Now is not the time

[Ossie Wembley]

Your "expectations" are futile if they don't take into account what's going on around us too....

In case you hadn't noticed the richest team 'ever' won a treble last year.

Meanwhile another team that finished above is pipped us to the ONLY other trophy available to us.

We're not catagorically the best team in the country so to DEMAND (expect) a trophy is delusional. entitlement.

And what about the previous seasons?

Woolwich have had an inferior side to us but have won 3 FA Cups in the last 6 years, they are not the richest team in the league - they have an owner that is bleeding the club dry. Why is that?

United won an FA cup in a season where we finished above them and crashed out to Palace at home in that cup. They also won the UEFA cup in a season where again we finished above them and got knocked out by Gent. What is the rationale for this?

Why are we the only club in the top 6 to have not won a trophy in the last 5 seasons when we have have higher consistent finishes than sides other than City? Why are we the exception here?

 

[Ossie Wembley]

OK, that's enough troll feeding for the day...

And there you go - anytime who disagrees with me is a troll. Bravo.

 

[Airfixx]

It's petulance like this that puts people off of you.

I agreed with with you that expectation "needn't" come into it ,and offered that it often does regardless.

If you agree, then why falsely contradict me (seemingly with no broader point, t'boot)?

"It's petulance like this that puts people off of you."

IRONY ALERT!!!!

....Low and behold that quote DIRECTLY and entirely applies to you (petty contradiction is your speciality - You're exhibiting it right now!).... Save me the personality lectures until you're prepared to check yourself first (which you clearly aren't).

 

[Airfixx]

Zzzzzz

Again, I find you just as tiresome.

For the greater good of the forum I'd suggest a mutual 'ignore', but I don't trust your sniping to not continue.

 

[Airfixx]

Just do the bit you can control then.

LOL... Yeh, I'm sure you'd love that wouldn't you.

 

[superstaryid]

LOL... Yeh, I'm sure you'd love that wouldn't you.

Hmmmm

 

[Ossie Wembley]

Excuse me for butting in, and I may be way off the mark, but it comes across that you want Poch to fail miserably, so you can say "I told you so".

Surely by now it is apparent just how much I want us to win a trophy. I would love nothing more than for him to prove me wrong - I like him, think he is a good manager. It’s just that I don’t think he has the talent to do that though.

 

[Ossie Wembley]

Let me get this straight.
When we play well and win, its because we have elite players and an elite squad. Nothing to do with Poch.

When those elite players play badly (see CL final) and lose it's Poch's fault.

Got it.

Perhaps you may want to underhand the point at hand before entering into the thread with such a clumsy attempt.

 

[Ossie Wembley]

That is the point
The Hood "I hold everyone at the club accountable..........but I only criticise Poch"

See ya

I do but I don’t need to be be critical of the board on the whole because they have delivered a new training ground, stadium and have provided one of the best squads in the league. Pochettino on the other hand isn’t getting the maximum out of the personnel he has been given - it’s Redknapp all over gain. We have an elite board, and elite squad but do not have an elite manager.

 

[Ossie Wembley]

Yeah, Poch out...what a fucking weirdo...I'm done.

So only Poch is to blame for losing the Cl, not the players for playing below their ability.

This is is level I have to contend with - absolutely no point in the thread have I said Poch out or talked about the Champions League Final.

It’s does make me laugh that when people claim the manager is not to blame for a poor performance it’s the players. It’s the role of the manager to get them to perform, to implement the right formation and tactics, to give them the required mindset.

We had been in free fall results once since February resulting in our worst run since 2008. But that had no bearing on the CL final of course and the manager isn't responsible for getting results he?

 

[Airfixx]

Perhaps you may want to underhand the point at hand before entering into the thread with such a clumsy attempt.

Underhood....

 

[Ossie Wembley]

We get it, you hate Pochettino...and there's no convincing you otherwise, so what's the point in trying?

And only a few posts above I wrote this.

I would love nothing more than for him to prove me wrong - I like him, think he is a good manager. It’s just that I don’t think he has the talent to do that though.

It’s quite clear that I’m dealing with a group of fanatical Pochettino fans who absolutely refuse to critique him in anyway or accept others doing.

Cue yet another ‘yeah but you h8t him don’t ya’ post.

 

[Ossie Wembley]

In that case Poch deserves massive credit and praise for getting us to the CL final in the first place.

Oh and in case you try your usual tactic of deflection, he also deserves massive praise and credit for getting us to a top 4 place with a squad that suffered many injuries to many players at the same time, some of them long term, and no new players for 2 transfer windows.

You can't have it both ways.

I don’t care about getting to finals and semi finals if don’t win them - the game doesn’t remember or care about the runners up. None us place any significance to Liverpool (2018) Woolwich (2006) getting to a CL final and would rightly mock their supporter base for claiming this as a major achievement that others should be envious of. We have the players to be winning these tournaments. If Pochettinho had Jols team I wouldn’t be placing this level of expectation on him but he doesn’t - he has the best group of players arguably since the double era winning team.

And again we should be qualifying comfortably in the top 4. United we a complete catastrophe last and Woolwich were decidedly mediocre. We should have finished 3rd but allowed another mediocre side to overtake us in Chelsea whose supporter-base didn’t want him.

As I keep on saying this is about levels and Pochettinho keeps on failing to break that final ceiling. Tell me why are we the only team in the top 6 not to any have a trophy in the last 5 seasons when all of the others ( including far inferior teams have). How do you account for this exactly?

 

[Ossie Wembley]

It's still entirely relevant to YOUR gripe tho regardless of your protestation of convenience.

If a trophy is central to your point, players performing poorly in finals simply must bring more than just Poch under the spotlight.... Especially if you believe like some do that they shrink as soon as silverware is in sight. See: Leicester/Wham 16/17, Wolves 18/19, domestic finals vs Utd & Chavs, CL vs Liverpool.

The players MUST at least face a similar degree of scrutiny/accountability as that which you insist on subjecting Poch to.

And they do - to use one example I used to be a huge supporter of Dier but he has regressed massively and I would content with him being replaced. All of our players are under constant scrutiny on here - with constant opinions on who should be retained and who should be replaced and no one take issue with that because we want the best team we can have. My point is that this squad , which isn’t perfect, is one of the best in the league and has been for a number of years now. If the collective keeps on failing to get over the final line when inferior sides are winning trophies then it’s not really the players is it - the question then falls onto the manager.

 

[Ossie Wembley]

And as always we come full circle, this from before.



And you thought I didn't understand the point.



I think I pretty much got the point spot bollock on.

I'm done.

No I get it you want him to get credit for doing the minimum. It’s like giving him credit for keeping Southampton up in his final season when they have the players to comfortably do that. With the squad we have should be finishing in the top 4 ( especially given the standard of some of the teams in the top 6) and we should be winning trophies ( which we are not). But then again I’m dealing with a person who openly admits that he has criticised our manager once in nearly 6 years.

When the elite sides meet in these trophies the deciding factor often comes down to the managers and Pochettinho is consistently found wanting on these games. He is a tier 2 manager much like Redknapp was.

But as I said before this is all ignored because I’m dealing with a group of supporters who still believe that it’s 1997. Who believe that we don’t deserve to be here, that base their expections on historic failures rather the players we have now. It explains everything - that’s why you believe CL qualification is a major achievement because we are Tottenham and are competing against United, Chelsea, Woolwich, City and have no right to be ( despite having a team to compete with these sides).

Perhaps the next generation of Spurs supporters won’t be such cowards - terrified of disappointment, unwilling to place any credible expectations on talented sides.

 

[Ossie Wembley]

I know and I, for one, can't wait till everyone who supports the club with your level of entitlement and distain.

I can't wait to protest outside the ground when we only beat Southampton by a single goal.

I can't wait to burn an effigy of poch when we only draw at Barcelona in the champions league.

I can't wait looking back at how cowardly it was to enjoy going to the football with friends and family, sharing laughter because I wasn't always finding a reason to be annoyed at the club.

I look forward to your dystopian future of entitlement and anger.

No doubt you’ll enjoy whatever is served to you - that’s what happens when you have little to no expectations. How can you ever be disappointed when you never expect anything!

I’ll continue to base my expectations around what we have in terms of players - which will be high when we have an elite squad and will be low when we have a poor one.

That’s how it should be but unfortunately poor little Tottenham syndrome is present amongst too many in the supporter base.