Our forwards are better than before.
Defenders haven't got better or worse
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Ex-Spurs Player Oliver Skipp
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Our forwards are better than before.
Defenders haven't got better or worse
Not sure as yet but I do feel that with a mamager who is not fixated by a system we have players who can be utilised.
You must always put into context the quality of the opposition (West Ham were poor) but yesterday Skipp was very good, especially as he picked up the early yellow.
All I want is a hight level of consistency from a player as and when they are called on.
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Both of you are wrong.
- defenders from that day ARE an awful step back, there is no question in that at all
- forward-line is not better than before, but it is deeper than before; we havent had Brazil starting CF / EPL best attacker of some other team as bench option before. In terms of Kane - he is still absolutely magnificent ST who has taken step back in terms of intensity (in pressing and also acceleration) but at the same time has added passing and assisting to his range. So Kane is still Kane. Unfortunately Son has taken step back this season, but across past 5 games has started to improve once again.
Need to model CB in the same way in the summer with a quality first choice player and then high potential young backups
Current form aside; Son is a far better player than he was 5/6 years ago. People forget he didn't even command consistent first XI status until 17/18.
16/17 - Kane, Eriksen, Dele, Son, Lamela, Lucas, (in order of pecking order)
vs
22/23 - Kane, Son, Kulu, Richy, Danjuma, Lucas (+Gil)
The presence of Eriksen edges it, but it's pretty close.
The funny thing is that back them peeps would regularly insist we didn't have depth (we had Tripper & Davies as solid 2nd WBs too - at our best we would rotate them regularly without missing a beat).
Our defenders in the 2019/2020 season
Alderweireld
Vertonghen
Sanchez
Tanganga
Aurier
Davies
Foyth
Dier
Sess
Defenders now
Romero
Sanchez
Dier
Davies
Emerson
Porro
Sessegnon
Peresic
Tanganga
Lenglet
What is the difference? You could argue that 3 years ago our we had Alderweireld and Vertonghen but they were washed up by then.
Our attack now is much better than it was as well, look at our forwards:
Kane
Son
Lamela
Bergwijn
Lucas
Parrott
It's not even close now.
Wait, I thought we are talking about quality. Not how big names were here or there.
And quality of attackers is measured in goals. So you can read over Richarlison name how many times you like. He has scored 2 goals. In 18/19 Llorente scored 8.
Comparison was about season when we reached CL final. So it was 2018/19.
And you mention Bergwijn? Seriously?
18/19 our biggest scorers were -
Kane - 24
Son - 20
Moura - 15
Eriksen - 10
Llorente - 8
Alli - 7
Lamela - 6
And if we leave out our midfielders (which was agreed - our midfield now is better than then) current season our attackers output has been -
Kane - 19
Son - 9
Richie - 2
Kulusevski - 2
There is absolutely no fucking comparison, you are right.
In that season, our forwards and AMs scored combined of 90 goals.
This season so far our forward players have scored 32 (!!!)
And we have completed 34 games.
Can you grasp it - you are claiming that our current attack that has scored combined 32 goals in 34 games is vastly superior to the frontline that scored 90 goals in 58 games?
Sure, names are bigger. But once again. This season Tottenham has exactly 1 dependable goalscorer no more, no less.
You can believe whatever you want, and you don't have to let facts distract you from any belief. But don't try to make others "believers" of something that has absolutely no basis of truth in them.
P.S and quickly about defense -
Again, I have no caring about your random opinion about "washed up blah-blah-blah".
I know that during that season we conceded 39 goals in league across 38 games and we went all the way to CL final.
This season we have leaked 35 goals in 24 games - just 4 less with 14 (!) less games. And I can bet my fcking car on it, that with current backline we are not going to CL final either.
P.P.S - I guess sorry to burst your bubble. I know it is good to live in a bubble and feel good and strong and whatnot. Just that this is not what happens in real world and real data does not back that up...
Not quite, I made the original comparison - Read what I said again, I said 3 years ago which was 2019/2020 not 2018/2019, look here:
Perhaps lets try and get the year right before going off on some irrelevant tangent embroiled in mental gymnastics just to force home some arbitrary point.
Okay, fair enough.
I felt that the actual debate started from observation that our midfield bench options are better than the ones starting CL final. But you are right that you mentioned "3 years ago".
But that does absolutely nothing regarding evaluation of our attacking players this season. We still only have 1 reliable goalscorer in Harry and despite reading long list of names, we have no real application on that front unfortunately.
Plus defensively we ARE on course to worst record in years (including time 3 years ago) so... even if reference point is different, outcome and conclusion stay the same.
I wasn't originally making a point about our attackers our our defenders, I merely made an observation about our midfield in a thread about...one of our midfielders.
Why are you still arguing the toss?
That’s literally exactly what I said but in more detail. Obviously Kane is still Kane but our forwards as a whole are worse mainly due to son.
He most definitely deserves a bloody good run in the starting eleven now
Kulu, Skipp and Sarr are the future of the club. Have a lot of hope for this kid. Think he's got the potential to be a good player for a long long time.
Yes Dier, Davies , Emerson, Perisic are the same quality as Toby , Vertonghen, Trippier, Rose...
See I'm not the only one who rates him
Read the conversation again.
He is a very talented young player who had a bad injury and people just thought he wasnt that good as a result.See I'm not the only one who rates him
It takes time and work to retain the level of your best post injury. We are only now seeing the real Oliver skipp. I think without the injury he'd have gone to the last WC at Philips expense.
Miraculously I've a wonderful suspicion that Pape Sarr my be even better. And from what Alistair Gold says they love playing beside each other. So We may well be getting a sneak preview of an exciting future.
I backed him to go the WC at 20/1 before the season started. He was our best player arguably until the injury
Getting back to Skippy, I love him and think he will only get better with more game time and he stays fit.