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Parking the Bus - Is it Them or Us??

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The first time I thought I ever heard the phrase 'Parking the Bus' was when a Santini led Spurs side went to Chelsea in 2004. Mourinho used the phrase to describe what we thought was, at the time, an excellent defensive performance. It's taken some time for us to get to the point when we can bemoan the fact other teams are doing it to us. In fact, this is probably a good time to remind ourselves of the exact words from the moaning one...

He said: "As we say in Portugal, they brought the bus and they left the bus in front of the goal.

"I would have been frustrated if I had been a supporter who paid £50 to watch this game because Spurs came to defend.

"I'm really frustrated because there was only one team looking to win, they only came not to concede - it's not fair for the football we played."


Burnley have made an art of low possession football, absorbing wave after wave of attack and getting maybe 1 or 2 goals in a game and this tactic has got them up to 6th in the league. Other teams have taken heart and inspiration from it, from our experience Swansea, West Brom & Brighton in the last few weeks have played with the aim of 'not losing' with varying degrees of success. Let's be fair, Stoke came to ours to play reasonably openly, so did Liverpool. Swansea, West Brom & Brighton got better results.

The problem is if you play a team where they defend with disciplined shape, playing from deep, they limit their chances in the game significantly and they make it really hard to pass around, so that you play this frustrating game where you're trying to weave a pattern around the other team to make space and opportunities with limited space, with all runners and movement covered, with crosses being delayed so that centre backs can position themselves to defend to their optimum, meaning the amount of viable chances you're going to get is going to be low and as a home set of supporters you're going to get really frustrated watching your side constantly trying to pass their way through a wall.

In the case of the West Brom game, we made the fatal error of conceding an odd goal early, in the case of the Brighton game, we scored a lucky but deserved goal, but even that didn't open the game out. The bizzarre thing about the Brighton game was there was no great change in their ethos, they continued to play very deep in the hope that they would get a very rare counter and equalise that way, the lack of ambition from that side contributed to a not particularly entertaining game.

But it brings me back to the same thing, if you look at the game as a results business, this defensive game is something that teams aiming to survive thrive on. Brighton was probably the most unambitious team I've seen us play, but West Brom, West Ham under Moyes and Burnley have made a habit of strong defending, low possession and getting the odd goal. Is this a case that we don't have the guile to breakdown tough defences or that teams are just defending better and this new tactic is proving fruitful so more sides are doing it?
 
lol...I remember that game, and while we put in a solid defensive display, we actually had the best chance to score. IIRC Robbie Keane fluffed an easy header and Cech managed to tip it over the bar.
 
The first time I thought I ever heard the phrase 'Parking the Bus' was when a Santini led Spurs side went to Chelsea in 2004. Mourinho used the phrase to describe what we thought was, at the time, an excellent defensive performance. It's taken some time for us to get to the point when we can bemoan the fact other teams are doing it to us. In fact, this is probably a good time to remind ourselves of the exact words from the moaning one...

He said: "As we say in Portugal, they brought the bus and they left the bus in front of the goal.

"I would have been frustrated if I had been a supporter who paid £50 to watch this game because Spurs came to defend.

"I'm really frustrated because there was only one team looking to win, they only came not to concede - it's not fair for the football we played."


Burnley have made an art of low possession football, absorbing wave after wave of attack and getting maybe 1 or 2 goals in a game and this tactic has got them up to 6th in the league. Other teams have taken heart and inspiration from it, from our experience Swansea, West Brom & Brighton in the last few weeks have played with the aim of 'not losing' with varying degrees of success. Let's be fair, Stoke came to ours to play reasonably openly, so did Liverpool. Swansea, West Brom & Brighton got better results.

The problem is if you play a team where they defend with disciplined shape, playing from deep, they limit their chances in the game significantly and they make it really hard to pass around, so that you play this frustrating game where you're trying to weave a pattern around the other team to make space and opportunities with limited space, with all runners and movement covered, with crosses being delayed so that centre backs can position themselves to defend to their optimum, meaning the amount of viable chances you're going to get is going to be low and as a home set of supporters you're going to get really frustrated watching your side constantly trying to pass their way through a wall.

In the case of the West Brom game, we made the fatal error of conceding an odd goal early, in the case of the Brighton game, we scored a lucky but deserved goal, but even that didn't open the game out. The bizzarre thing about the Brighton game was there was no great change in their ethos, they continued to play very deep in the hope that they would get a very rare counter and equalise that way, the lack of ambition from that side contributed to a not particularly entertaining game.

But it brings me back to the same thing, if you look at the game as a results business, this defensive game is something that teams aiming to survive thrive on. Brighton was probably the most unambitious team I've seen us play, but West Brom, West Ham under Moyes and Burnley have made a habit of strong defending, low possession and getting the odd goal. Is this a case that we don't have the guile to breakdown tough defences or that teams are just defending better and this new tactic is proving fruitful so more sides are doing it?
Nothing new under the sun Woolwich spent nearly 70 years playing this tactic.
 
The first time I thought I ever heard the phrase 'Parking the Bus' was when a Santini led Spurs side went to Chelsea in 2004. Mourinho used the phrase to describe what we thought was, at the time, an excellent defensive performance. It's taken some time for us to get to the point when we can bemoan the fact other teams are doing it to us. In fact, this is probably a good time to remind ourselves of the exact words from the moaning one...

He said: "As we say in Portugal, they brought the bus and they left the bus in front of the goal.

"I would have been frustrated if I had been a supporter who paid £50 to watch this game because Spurs came to defend.

"I'm really frustrated because there was only one team looking to win, they only came not to concede - it's not fair for the football we played."


Burnley have made an art of low possession football, absorbing wave after wave of attack and getting maybe 1 or 2 goals in a game and this tactic has got them up to 6th in the league. Other teams have taken heart and inspiration from it, from our experience Swansea, West Brom & Brighton in the last few weeks have played with the aim of 'not losing' with varying degrees of success. Let's be fair, Stoke came to ours to play reasonably openly, so did Liverpool. Swansea, West Brom & Brighton got better results.

The problem is if you play a team where they defend with disciplined shape, playing from deep, they limit their chances in the game significantly and they make it really hard to pass around, so that you play this frustrating game where you're trying to weave a pattern around the other team to make space and opportunities with limited space, with all runners and movement covered, with crosses being delayed so that centre backs can position themselves to defend to their optimum, meaning the amount of viable chances you're going to get is going to be low and as a home set of supporters you're going to get really frustrated watching your side constantly trying to pass their way through a wall.

In the case of the West Brom game, we made the fatal error of conceding an odd goal early, in the case of the Brighton game, we scored a lucky but deserved goal, but even that didn't open the game out. The bizzarre thing about the Brighton game was there was no great change in their ethos, they continued to play very deep in the hope that they would get a very rare counter and equalise that way, the lack of ambition from that side contributed to a not particularly entertaining game.

But it brings me back to the same thing, if you look at the game as a results business, this defensive game is something that teams aiming to survive thrive on. Brighton was probably the most unambitious team I've seen us play, but West Brom, West Ham under Moyes and Burnley have made a habit of strong defending, low possession and getting the odd goal. Is this a case that we don't have the guile to breakdown tough defences or that teams are just defending better and this new tactic is proving fruitful so more sides are doing it?

We are not the only team that struggle with teams doing this, I think the money in the PL compared to the championship means for teams outside the "top 6" that just avoiding relegation is a good result for teams these days
 
We are not the only team that struggle with teams doing this, I think the money in the PL compared to the championship means for teams outside the "top 6" that just avoiding relegation is a good result for teams these days

You're absolutely right, Liverpool got their West Brom experience too but it still begs the question, do we need to do something different or just accept that more teams doing that defensive game is the new normal?
 
You're absolutely right, Liverpool got their West Brom experience too but it still begs the question, do we need to do something different or just accept that more teams doing that defensive game is the new normal?
We just need to get the early goal, I would like to see us put more crosses in the box as you have always got the chance of it falling to one of our players, or getting a deflection, or OG, or if your Aurier that cross could go in.......:pochlol:
 
The result is holy these days, few coaches risk playing open attractive football and a lot of those who do get fired, relegated etc quickly.

It's the death of football for me, the passion for a club is one thing but i've always loved the game, the art of it and the art of good defending plays a part in that, but parking the bus does not. Defensive counter attacking teams can be a joy to watch, but those teams at least try to create from the counter and commit bodies forward in fluent and sharp waves of counter attacks. The true parking the bus teams just live on hope, not on skill, craft or anything like that
 
I prefer parking the bus against the big teams rather than just not turing up. there was a time in the early 90's where the bottom team tended to put a weakened team against the BIG 4 as they knew they didnt stand a chance.
 
We are playing possesion heavy football and a high defence that leads the shit teams to park the bus. We could let them have the ball and kill them on the counter attack. It would lead to more entertaining games, but i doubt we'd get more points from it.
 
I hate it. I’m so fed up and bored with watching teams park the bus and waste time right from kick off. It’s literally every game almost.

It’s ruining the game imo and something needs to be adjusted to stop incentivising that approach. I don’t know what but things clearly need to change.

There’s nothing wrong with a solid defensive approach and playing counter attacking football but showing no ambition at all and time wasting for the entire game is not what the game is about.

Imagine supporting a team where their game plan is to keep the ball out of play for as long as possible and run the clock down. Why do fans accept that? We wouldn’t.

The game is meant to be an entertainment.

There’s a lot of criticism of us not breaking teams down that play like this but it’s extremely difficult to break down an entire team of professional athletes that are crowding out an 18 yard box and never committing any bodies forward.

I’ve considered whether we should sit back ouselves against these sides and force them to commit and then hit them on the break but we’d be playing a risky game in giving them the opportunity to steal a lead and then totally kill the game.

Our injuries aren’t helping as I felt we handled these sort of teams a lot better last season when we played 3 at the back but our shape is being heavily impacted by Toby and Wanyanas absences.

It isn’t just us as we’ve seen Liverpool Chelsea and Utd all struggle in these sorts of games.
 
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Everybody is complaining about it, me included. It does make for some awful games. But we go to City tomorrow and no doubt our game plan will be to sit back, stifle the play and play on the counter attack. Every team is guilty of it, it's part and parcel of the game nowadays.
 
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It's us. We're a side that put 7 and 8 past teams last season. Then 4 past Liverpool this season. Why would teams come to test that when they know we'll butcher them. United provided the blueprint. The onus is on us to evolve a way of combating that.
 
We fall into the trap of playing too slowly when sides do this, against Stoke we played slowly slowly for too long. Once we started aggressively chasing them down and sticking balls in the box good things happened.
 
During the latter part of last season we seemed to have solved the problem of teams parking the bus. We need to rediscover this ability and having another attacking player (Lamela) will help. We miss the accurate long balls of Alderweireld. Dembele has not been at his best and Wanyama was such a rock that others had the confidence to commit without worrying about losing possession. Llorente has been a disappointment and GKN not progressed.
We are no longer a threat from free kicks. When did we last score direct from a free kick. Therefore other teams do not worry about giving away free kicks just outside the box.
I have no problem with other teams defending as long as they do not constantly foul our players or time waste. It is up to us to overcome it.
 
Not parking the bus per-se but a tempo that is not as frenetic as previous seasons. Being patient on the ball and moving it slowly getting a string of passes together in order to carve an opponent open in order to score is fast becoming the norm. Look at Barca and Madrid - they don't always play at such a high tempo and at times although incredibly tidy can look a bit boring to some. The prem is evolving constantly and looking towards other leagues in they way they play and vice versa, no team nowadays can just go sprinting for 90 minutes non stop over the course of a whole season.
 
We fall into the trap of playing too slowly when sides do this, against Stoke we played slowly slowly for too long. Once we started aggressively chasing them down and sticking balls in the box good things happened.
We need to take more chances and be more direct against teams that do this. Why not Llorente and more long balls?

Our patience just slows the game down and allows teams to setup. We need to be constantly testing the opponents back line, even if we turn the ball over more in their third.
 
I've no issue or problem with a team choosing to set up defensively and look to counter attack, counter attacking football is thrilling, even if you are the team that is being attacked. The key word hear is attack, any game where a team has an intent to attack is OK with me.

The absolute joke comes when a team doesn't even attack, a hoof into a channel for their loan striker to chase down is not an attack. These teams I fucking hate, these teams should pay back the cost of a ticket for the spectators of both sets of supporters (I'm joking but I fucking hate these teams). An attack is when the counter-attacking side commit to that attack. When you watched us against Dortmund, we attacked in numbers with the aim of creating an overload on their defence, it was committed and played with risk too because if it breaks down and we lose possession we now have created a situation where we can be counter-attacked and with players committed up field the oppo now have the numerical advantage, this is why it's thrilling, this is the cat and mouse of two football philosophies but there is intent from both sides to score and win the game.

I still maintain fans can play a big part against the an ambitious side, whilst the booking shown to Foster for time waisting was way, way too late it was given because we were booing him from very early on, fairly sure he wouldn't have been booked were it not down to the fans booing. Songs need to be sung taunting the oppo for parking the bus, boring, boring teams need to be told how boring they are, fans need to humiliate the oppo, sing ole's when we are passing. Man City's chant at Utd last weekend is exactly what I'm talking about. The thing I can't stand is fans turning on their own side because they can't breakdown a team who has zero intention of playing, everything is wrong with that, it hands all the initiative to the oppo.
 
I fucking hate teams who come to defend and hit us with set pieces or lucky breakaways. I don't mind if they were legitimate counter attacking sides, ie Leicester when they won the league, but when you're a Brighton or a West Brom who has very little to offer in the way of counter attack it's just turgid to watch. Inevitably one or two teams will come away with a positive result using this tactic and therefore everyone else follows suit. Unambitious but probably the right thing to do in the mind of their managers.

I think we just need to put out an extra attacking player in these games. Fuck three at the back, fuck defensive midfielders - when we play against the teams who employ this tactic against us we should be starting with 4 at the back and only one holding mid like Winks or Dembele. Also doesn't help if we play Sissoko in these kind of games where he is completely ineffectual as there is no space to operate.
 
At international level, this has been done forever-you play to your strengths.

The way City are playing, its not real football. Football is competitive and when a team can buy/pay the wage/field the best players, then there is no competition. What choice has lesser teams have but to defend in numbers-its all they have within their grasp -you can't go head to head.

The real test for City and Peps tactic prowess is against the similar sides in Europe. We are probably better set up than them when everyone is fit-I truly believe that. I would park the bus if it meant a nil nil in the CL final and win on pens.
 
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How do you explain Mourihno doing it with Man U?
It’s the one anomaly.

Dyche played more open football in 14/15 and got relegated.
Also did it last year after they came back up, and were nearly back down.
They played some decent stuff.
If he had another relegation or relegation battle he’d be out of a job.
So, he’s gone the other way.


All teams struggle to break down teams who defend en masse.
Greece won the EC doing it.
You have to score early, take your chances. Have a bit of good fortune.
We had 25 shots v West Brom 5 on target 8 corners and 73% possesion.
City neat them 3-2 with 15 shots 5 on target 2 corners and 78%.
 
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