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Player Pedro Porro

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You're a supporter mate, you literally have one job.

Understand you don't like the football and pay big money to watch turgid shit but booing your own and targetting is just shit

By definition you're not a supporter because you're not doing your basic job as a fan which is support hence the term so Frank is well within his rights to say that.
As Frank and the team do also. Coach the team to win (or not lose). Play football to win (or not lose). At the moment, neither of these conditions are being met either.

By your own metric, Frank and the team aren't doing their basic job since I'm sure the goal isn't to lose games so we're well within our rights to be discontent. Booing invididuals isn't something I would do, but don't care if others do. I wouldn't call them a lesser fan or supporter.
 
As Frank and the team do also. Coach the team to win (or not lose). Play football to win (or not lose). At the moment, neither of these conditions are being met either.

By your own metric, Frank and the team aren't doing their basic job since I'm sure the goal isn't to lose games so we're well within our rights to be discontent. Booing invididuals isn't something I would do, but don't care if others do. But I wouldn't call them a lesser fan or supporter.
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We are beyond fucked. The disconnect between the manager, the players and the fans is cataclysmic. Frank getting sacked won't change that (even though it's inevitable), nothing short of a mass lobotomy will

Ange started it with all the nonsense round that Man City game. He made it about us. Give the players yet another excuse.

Let’s remember that the modern day player had the PFA ready to sue the PL if they tried and limit wages a couple of weeks ago. They give zero fucks about us.
 
As Frank and the team do also. Coach the team to win (or not lose). Play football to win (or not lose). At the moment, neither of these conditions are being met either.

By your own metric, Frank and the team aren't doing their basic job since I'm sure the goal isn't to lose games so we're well within our rights to be discontent. Booing invididuals isn't something I would do, but don't care if others do. I wouldn't call them a lesser fan or supporter.

You can be absolutely discontent, you started this conversation justifying booing a single player - that is what Frank called out, he actually said he understands booing of the team but not a player.
 
As Frank and the team do also. Coach the team to win (or not lose). Play football to win (or not lose). At the moment, neither of these conditions are being met either.

By your own metric, Frank and the team aren't doing their basic job since I'm sure the goal isn't to lose games so we're well within our rights to be discontent. Booing invididuals isn't something I would do, but don't care if others do. I wouldn't call them a lesser fan or supporter.
The job of coaching isn't to win, it's to coach. Sadly not everyone can win
Ange started it with all the nonsense round that Man City game. He made it about us. Give the players yet another excuse.

Let’s remember that the modern day player had the PFA ready to sue the PL if they tried and limit wages a couple of weeks ago. They give zero fucks about us.
Tad simplistic to say it started with Ange (though he is not without fault), it's years of chronic mismanagement at the club - the current issues with the players and manager don't stem from their own tenure but with cumulative frustration. And it's reached boiling point, the only remedy is success and we're not close to that
 
You can be absolutely discontent, you started this conversation justifying booing a single player - that is what Frank called out, he actually said he understands booing of the team but not a player.
And I still stand by what I said. Vicario, whilst I understand he's saved us multiple times this season already, had a very easy decision to kick the ball out of play and get back into position but yet he chose the most stupid thing to do.

There's already enough grumbling about being a goal down in 4 minutes but the fans were still trying to get behind the team. This was the icing on the cake and should not have happened.

We're then even more pissed so that's just how some choose to vent their frustration.

I'm just saying there's justification for it. Do you think those that booed went to the game for the sake of it? Of course not. They went to support the team.

It's not their fault the team couldn't reciprocate.
 
I don’t like the fans getting called out, given the small fortune they shell out in watching this dross, but I can also understand why Frank and Porro stood up for Vicario. But they had better improve and start showing results, or this “backing up” will ring hollow.
 
And I still stand by what I said. Vicario, whilst I understand he's saved us multiple times this season already, had a very easy decision to kick the ball out of play and get back into position but yet he chose the most stupid thing to do.

There's already enough grumbling about being a goal down in 4 minutes but the fans were still trying to get behind the team. This was the icing on the cake and should not have happened.

We're then even more pissed so that's just how some choose to vent their frustration.

I'm just saying there's justification for it. Do you think those that booed went to the game for the sake of it? Of course not. They went to support the team.

It's not their fault the team couldn't reciprocate.

I posted this in the other thread the goal isn't all on Vic, why didn't Porro or Danso get back on the line


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This is the thing about singling players out, it's misguided - yeah the goalie messed up but it's entirely preventable from a team POV.

Everyone knows it's wrong to boo the players hence why they stopped doing it after a minute or so and hence why you rarely hear it from the fans because it's shitty and counter productive.

You yourself know it's purely down to frustration, that doesn't mean singling out a player is justified.
 
The job of coaching isn't to win, it's to coach. Sadly not everyone can win

Tad simplistic to say it started with Ange (though he is not without fault), it's years of chronic mismanagement at the club - the current issues with the players and manager don't stem from their own tenure but with cumulative frustration. And it's reached boiling point, the only remedy is success and we're not close to that

I’m talking about the most recent disconnect between players and fans. It started then.
 
I posted this in the other thread the goal isn't all on Vic, why didn't Porro or Danso get back on the line


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This is the thing about singling players out, it's misguided - yeah the goalie messed up but it's entirely preventable from a team POV.

Everyone knows it's wrong to boo the players hence why they stopped doing it after a minute or so and hence why you rarely hear it from the fans because it's shitty and counter productive.

You yourself know it's purely down to frustration, that doesn't mean singling out a player is justified.

Funnily enough, I just mentioned Porro in response to another.

Yes, Porro should've been more smart and gone back to the line but Vic had plenty of time. He even tried to shield the ball prior - that was more than enough time to not be in the situation that eventually occurred though.

In the end, we're not going to agree on booing an individual or the opinion of it.

But still, good to have a discussion on it.
 
I get that, but so far, we've not even seen anything to show coaching has done anything.

Vic not playing the ball out, Porro not covering the goal line. Surely these are things that coaching should cover?
I didn't mean to post that tbh, I started writing it and then thought I'd hit the back button but must of published instead. It's a fair bit more nuanced than what I wrote, obviously, but in very simplistic terms I find the notion that someone is actively not doing their (coaching) job, if they lose, extremely difficult. They might be doing it badly, sure, but they are not willfully shirking their core responsibilities and therefore we can't conflate "not winning" with not doing their job. Especially when combining that with the justification of single player targeting. It's all a bit messy
 
I didn't mean to post that tbh, I started writing it and then thought I'd hit the back button but must of published instead. It's a fair bit more nuanced than what I wrote, obviously, but in very simplistic terms I find the notion that someone is actively not doing their (coaching) job, if they lose, extremely difficult. They might be doing it badly, sure, but they are not willfully shirking their core responsibilities and therefore we can't conflate "not winning" with not doing their job. Especially when combining that with the justification of single player targeting. It's all a bit messy
Of course. I've not coached so don't know what goes into it and I'm not saying they're not being coached, but it just doesn't look like its had much of an impact.

If we take the first goal (and those PSG ones), shouldn't players know you have to close them down asap? It didn't seem that way.

From Vic's POV, shouldn't he know that if he's nowhere near where he should be, to eliminate the danger in the safest and easiest way (kick it to row Z if he has to).

From Porro's POV (or even Danso), shouldn't they know they need to cover the goal if they see their keeper way out on the field.

These just seem like elementary stuff that they should all know.
 
I’m not talking about during one match, I mean how many matches should people let it go for? It’s not his first rodeo.
You support the club and the players during the game because that’s the whole point of being there. Nobody’s asking you to ignore form forever, but there’s a difference between holding standards and dragging your own side down in the middle of a match.
 
You support the club and the players during the game because that’s the whole point of being there. Nobody’s asking you to ignore form forever, but there’s a difference between holding standards and dragging your own side down in the middle of a match.

These wankers need to own and respond to their own mess by cleaning it up.

Is that what they did?

Cowards to a man.
 
This isn't a dip in form.

Chelsea bullied Spurs in our back yard in front of our own supporters.

To blame the supporters for finally turning on these wasters is a piss take.

No guts, no passion, no pride against Woolwich and Chelsea is unforgivable.

Fucking cowards when it matters but brave after losing at home to fucking Fulham.

Character assasination my arse.

They have done all of this to themselves.
If you think booing during a game actually helps, then crack on. If it gets the frustration off your chest and you genuinely believe it makes the team play better, that’s your call. I don’t see it that way. I’m not here to convince you otherwise, and you won’t convince me either. The players have their view on it as well. Ask Messi or anyone from any level of the game; no one hears boos and thinks, right, better avoid that mistake next time because kosher kid in row 12 is unimpressed.

No one’s denying those performances were awful, or that Chelsea and Woolwich were embarrassing. But pinning it all on the reaction of the crowd during the ninety isn’t the magic fix some seem to think it is. Boo if you want, but I’ll stick to backing the team while the match is actually being played.
 
If you think booing during a game actually helps, then crack on. If it gets the frustration off your chest and you genuinely believe it makes the team play better, that’s your call. I don’t see it that way. I’m not here to convince you otherwise, and you won’t convince me either. The players have their view on it as well. Ask Messi or anyone from any level of the game; no one hears boos and thinks, right, better avoid that mistake next time because kosher kid in row 12 is unimpressed.

No one’s denying those performances were awful, or that Chelsea and Woolwich were embarrassing. But pinning it all on the reaction of the crowd during the ninety isn’t the magic fix some seem to think it is. Boo if you want, but I’ll stick to backing the team while the match is actually being played.

I think it is fair to boo at half time and full time when the team have been shit.

That is the crowd letting them know what they think.

I also think it was fair to boo Vicario's crap yesterday after he gave away a cheap 2nd goal that added to our problems.

He has form for this crap.

Flapping around and kicking the ball to anyone or anywhere.

He isn't good enough and the booing yesterday was just instinctive, spontaneus anger with the shit he dished up.

Spurs supporters are far better than these fucking players that's for sure.
 
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