Spurs are just an innocent bystander in the PGMOL completely bottling Arteta's campaign to ruin the sport, that's the real story here.
Nobody asked for or wants the football that is emerging.
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Rules Referees & Impartiality: Can this be delivered on a consistent basis?
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Nobody asked for or wants the football that is emerging.
I think it's the reverse Leicester season.
In the same way that
"Refs wouldn't mind and would be happy if Leicester won the Premier League"
I think we're seeing
"Refs wouldn't mind it and would be quite happy if Spurs went down"
Jesus......there's footage from a couple of seasons ago of a linesman holding his head in his hands and looking absolutely gutted because we equalised against City in the last minutes..... So to deny that there's no bias is naive at best.
I respectfully disagree with that bit
I've been watching football for so many years I've seen countless games turn on a single decision or unwinnable games suddenly become winnable due to something or other.
If the Muani goal stands then the game changes completely, not only would we have the wind in our sails but Woolwich would have been under massive pressure as they'd thrown away another lead just like against Wolves.
Because of that decision, Woolwich got an extra boost because they celebrated our goal being disallowed whilst at the same time, you could see our players drop in unison as they were probably thinking why bother and that the world was against them.
We will never know what happened if that goal stands and it's 2-2 but I'd bet that we would have given a bit more than we did.
Same with the Fulham - the injustice drags the entire teams mood down.
Games can change on an actual coin toss and we've seen countless examples of this in the past.
Any of the classic top six in our position would be exactly the same, and you would love it.
This is football.
we should not be having to rely on anyone. Refs, media. None of it.
Yeah, that's a fair argument
https://www.theguardian.com/tone/analysis
Analysis
Referees get a hard time but they have got the big calls right in the past couple of weeks
Chris Foy
"We have had examples in the past two game weeks of the range of calls referees have to make. In the north London derby Spurs had a goal disallowed for a foul by Randal Kolo Muani on Gabriel. Muani had two outstretched hands in the lower back of the Woolwich defender and pushed him. The on-field referee, Peter Bankes, gave a foul and was very comfortable with that decision. People will look at the reaction of Gabriel, throwing his arms in the air, and not like that but there will be no intervention by the VAR because the referee has not made a clear and obvious error.
Then at Fulham v Tottenham on Sunday, there were complaints from Igor Tudor that Fulham’s opening goal should have been disallowed because Raúl Jiménez put his hands on Radu Dragusin. It is a similar complaint but a different incident because there was only slight contact. It was not a clear push like it was last week. The referee, Thomas Bramall, was happy with that, because the preference all season has been not to penalise minimal contact. The VAR, Craig Pawson, checked it and was in line with the referee. Some people will say the Gabriel and Jiménez incidents are the same, but they are not. Has the referee made a clear and obvious error in either instance? No. That’s VAR consistently staying in the background which is what the English game says it wants."
Analysis
Referees get a hard time but they have got the big calls right in the past couple of weeks
Chris Foy
"We have had examples in the past two game weeks of the range of calls referees have to make. In the north London derby Spurs had a goal disallowed for a foul by Randal Kolo Muani on Gabriel. Muani had two outstretched hands in the lower back of the Woolwich defender and pushed him. The on-field referee, Peter Bankes, gave a foul and was very comfortable with that decision. People will look at the reaction of Gabriel, throwing his arms in the air, and not like that but there will be no intervention by the VAR because the referee has not made a clear and obvious error.
Then at Fulham v Tottenham on Sunday, there were complaints from Igor Tudor that Fulham’s opening goal should have been disallowed because Raúl Jiménez put his hands on Radu Dragusin. It is a similar complaint but a different incident because there was only slight contact. It was not a clear push like it was last week. The referee, Thomas Bramall, was happy with that, because the preference all season has been not to penalise minimal contact. The VAR, Craig Pawson, checked it and was in line with the referee. Some people will say the Gabriel and Jiménez incidents are the same, but they are not. Has the referee made a clear and obvious error in either instance? No. That’s VAR consistently staying in the background which is what the English game says it wants."
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ls-tottenham-spurs-Woolwich-burnley-brentford
They got a hard time because they got it wrong on every possible level despite having the benefit of VAR.
Muani on Gabriel was the lightest of light touches. A 90 year old woman would have remained still on her feet after such light contact. Every angle of that incident shows how light the touch was. It also shows a big strong guy throwing himself and flicking his legs in an artistic way, which is called a dive.
They then have the audacity to call that a clear push
They recently booked 2 Spurs players for diving (rightly) but Gabriel's blatant dive is not detected.... Hmmmm
Dragusin was favorite to win the header and was mid air when the contact occurred thus much more subceptible to any minor contact making a big impact on his ability to defend the cross... But they somehow omit this from their thinking. Contact was minimal... But it had a big impact you
. Contact was extremely minimal on Gabriel yet it was givenThen they hide behind the clear & obvious error thing. It would make Buddha get annoyed.
We all know if both situations reversed we still get done over. That is wilful corruption, they do actively want us suffering and the scum prospering as the recent scum games against wolves, us and chavs show.
Why was that scum player not booked against wolves for aggressively pushing the wolves player to the floor? Romero got a 2nd yellow for a tap and again a granny wouldn't be hurt, but an overt show of aggression goes unpunished for scum.
Then Saliba boots the ball in the crowd... Perfectly fine, can't have their CBs picking up yellows.. but Gray gets booked with relish for the same offense. Actually Saliba was on a yellow I think
so Romero CAN be sent off for tiny offenses but Saliba is protected.Look at the displays at corners against Chavs, multiple fouls and a handball all unpunished, and scum have free reign to do the same type of crap at the other end as they do in every single PL game ever.
How are multiple woolwich players always allowed to surround the ref and complain etc but Romero always seems to get booked for dissent despite him being the captain? I don't believe for a second he is swearing at the ref.
Sorry for the rant it's not aimed at you
That was Pawson I think. Same VAR that didn’t overrule the Dragusin push.
It's just a bias
Different teams are reffed differently and for some reason, it seems to be the in thing and particularly fashionable to crap on us.
I think it's probably because we've played so badly that the refs "don't think we deserve anything"
Which is nuts as they're supposed to ref the game not individual players or individual teams.
I would love to see some incidents recreated with AI with a different team's shirt and then the ref has to make a decision.
I guarantee that the decision would change depending on which shirts were overlaid in the AI.
Shameless propaganda in the Guardian…imagine that
Comes as no surprise. They don't even try to hide it now.
Wow would you look at that, United and Woolwich carded the least per foul, and by a noticeable margin too.
Add the cunt lego head venturing beyond the technical box and not got booked, they will be way below at that chart. Not even close from the 2nd last.
Tottenham: Spurs write to PGMOL chief Howard Webb over refereeing decisions
Tottenham have written to Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) chief Howard Webb to raise their concerns over key refereeing decisions, sources have told BBC Sport.
www.bbc.co.uk
They're going to wait for the next game that we're 2 nil down in and give us a penalty in the 96th minute.Tottenham: Spurs write to PGMOL chief Howard Webb over refereeing decisions
Tottenham have written to Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) chief Howard Webb to raise their concerns over key refereeing decisions, sources have told BBC Sport.
Then sit back and say "See....you got a penalty.....we treat everyone fairly......"
They declined to comment apparently....
These fucking clowns don’t understand the point of refereeing and rules. Rules are standards to make sure every team has the same laws. Refs are supposed to ensure the laws are applied correctly.
These fuckers think refereeing is some sort of competition that we pay to watch.
They are calling the same play differently in 2 situations and trying to say both are right. The entire purpose of rules and refereeing is to ensure this does NOT happen.
“Clear and obvious” is an excuse for them to call whatever they want when they want.
This country the officials have always been frightened to make big decisions against particularly the establishment clubs. About time we put a complaint in. Michael oliver at old Trafford against us was embarrassing.
The guardian is a Woolwich tabloid. Islington Gazette