Yeah but nobody gave England a chance in the Rugby yesterday?
And they lost!
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Management Relegation
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And they lost!
Palace was huge because of our next 3 games. Atletix2 and Liverpool is brutal. Even when we had a good team
If we had a result against palace we'd could shrug off these 3 games but since we didn't get a result we just entered a demoralizing Doom loop
Inability to deal with pressure.
Ultimately, I am very very clear and it has never changed.
Managers create the culture and are employed to get the maximun out of the players at their disposal.
Managers must deal with those who make mistakes continually but if those mistakes continue, then a manager is failing to do their job.
And should be removed.
I was content with Frank. I also knew very early on he was wrong for us. His messaging and general demeanour were all wrong as far as I could sense.
A better manager makes some of our transfers look much better than they have appeared.
Massive change has to occur, but in which league we will see that happen is an unknown.
I am still leaning towards us surviving.
Pretty sure we've been in that loop long before Palace
Just watch us
I'm really not sure they are wise words at all. "Never trust a gambler" makes perfect sense - "never trust those who take advantage of gamblers" (i.e. betting sites) is a totally stupid take, they are the people generally intelligent and objective enough via either probably or mathematics, effectively a combination of both, to ensure that they always ultimately beat the collective of gamblers.
I'm really not sure they are wise words at all. "Never trust a gambler" makes perfect sense - "never trust those who take advantage of gamblers" (i.e. betting sites) is a totally stupid take, they are the people generally intelligent and objective enough via either probably or mathematics, effectively a combination of both, to ensure that they always ultimately beat the collective of gamblers.
Are you sure it is as straight forward as that?
I hate talking or thinking about relegation but agree.
If fans didn't vent on here, I think there would be some serious crimes going off in the home and in the wider public.
We need to find a way but if we don't, it's not because of Internet tittle tattle.
Fucking hurts being a Spurs fan right now.
Erm... yes. Bookies may set initial odds based on their understanding of the probabilities, but after that they simply adjust odds based on betting patterns in order to ensure that they make a profit irrespective of the outcome, as far as is possible. Doesn't always work, but certainly works enough to ensure they make a profit from their betting activities each year. Anyone trying to suggest that bookies are basically just gamblers the same as your average punter in Ladbrokes has absolutely no understanding whatsoever of the basic principles of the bookies business model.Are you sure it is as straight forward as that?
I was calling out those OPTA stats after the West Ham game when our chances of dropping were 0.3% according to that shite. I was saying West Ham have form for suddenly turning it on in relegation run ins.
It’s amazing how obvious it all was and how many could not see it. A weird prevailing attitude of we would simply win some games at some point due to the number of games we had left - despite getting worse week on week from an already rock bottom base.
Back to being the fault of the daft bastards paying £60 a match to watch the gimps in our team play at half speed, make numerous errors and then get into a protective huddle to walk off the pitch together in case a fan says something to upset them.
Some of our fans are fucking mental
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And it’s not like we’re having a mediocre season and let in a last minute equaliser at home to Burnley. We’ve won 4 out of30 home matches in the league - first day of the season and then a nice little win over Brentford before Xmas whilst paying the second highest ticket prices in the league and these wasters get upset at the fans - what a joke
If you bother to go back and look at the context, the poster wasn't saying they are the same as gamblers because they are crooked, he was implying that they make similar mistakes, i.e. that bookies effectively don't understand the relationship between the odds they offer, the actual estimated probabilities, and the impacts of the various outcomes (as most gamblers very obviously don't). Or did you take his post to mean that he thinks the bookies are going to somehow fix who gets relegated? Do you think that?
If we were given the choice right now between Forest winning and us getting a point, or both teams losing, I wonder which we would take (how sad that it's even come to such a conversation... 
). The first scenario there would put us 2 points worse off compared to them than the second, but the second might provide some kind of springboard, stop the run of losses etc.
Sad as it may be, I'd probably take a defeat right now if it meant Forest lose too. I know many on here would deride that view, and obviously I'd rather we win, especially against these scouse cunts, but I'm just interested in knowing in such a desperate situation whether we would value a couple of points more or less than a tiny bit of momentum... (?)
). The first scenario there would put us 2 points worse off compared to them than the second, but the second might provide some kind of springboard, stop the run of losses etc.Sad as it may be, I'd probably take a defeat right now if it meant Forest lose too. I know many on here would deride that view, and obviously I'd rather we win, especially against these scouse cunts, but I'm just interested in knowing in such a desperate situation whether we would value a couple of points more or less than a tiny bit of momentum... (?)
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