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Management Relegation

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Percy Clay said:
The squad available to Frank was part of the problem. We'll never know how the season would have unfolded had he had a full complement to work with. I suspect we'd have been top 10/12.

The main problem with Frank, for me, was that he was the wrong fit for our club. His footballing instincts were the antithesis of what this club is all about. He set his teams up to go out not to lose. He lacked courage and his teams, consequently, played timid, risk free, bland football that sucked all the life out of games. The summit of his ambition had mid table mediocrity at its heart. We would never have won anything under him. Nice man, but a square peg in a round hole.
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Frank entire game model is built on a very basic understanding of data analysis.

I.e.,

Not playing the ball through the middle because some data shows that turnovers in the middle of the park are the most dangerous for conceding chances the other way.

Not defending the edge of your box because long shots are low xG

Focusing on set pieces to score goals without having to risk attacking players going forward.

Happily destroying the flow of the game to take long throws and set your team up.

……

It’s basically the Sunday market fake version of what Arteta does at the scum.

He just got badly found out and the players never bought into him as a character so he ended up letting them get away with not running or pushing their limits because he wanted them to be his friend and keep him in a job.

It will probably work to some degree at the next job he gets but this one was too big for him.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Frank entire game model is built on a very basic understanding of data analysis.

I.e.,

Not playing the ball through the middle because some data shows that turnovers in the middle of the park are the most dangerous for conceding chances the other way.

Not defending the edge of your box because long shots are low xG

Focusing on set pieces to score goals without having to risk attacking players going forward.

Happily destroying the flow of the game to take long throws and set your team up.

……

It’s basically the Sunday market fake version of what Arteta does at the scum.

He just got badly found out and the players never bought into him as a character so he ended up letting them get away with not running or pushing their limits because he wanted them to be his friend and keep him in a job.

It will probably work to some degree at the next job he gets but this one was too big for him.
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This is absolutely true.

I work as a Platform Engineer in sports tech and we have many premier league clubs as customers.

Brentford and Woolwich have the most robust data infrastructure in the league, not just for transfers, but for actual tactics. They have tons upon tons of data available on each of their players and advanced ETL pipelines that get it usable for analysts extremely efficiently.

The coaching and tactics at both clubs are basically dictated by analytics, not the other way around. I could guarantee you if Arteta were to leave Woolwich and Thomas Frank came in you wouldn’t see much change because both men adapted to that model already. I would also bet that Arteta, like Frank would struggle at a club without that same infrastructure.
 
Son Spurs said:
This is absolutely true.

I work as a Platform Engineer in sports tech and we have many premier league clubs as customers.

Brentford and Woolwich have the most robust data infrastructure in the league, not just for transfers, but for actual tactics. They have tons upon tons of data available on each of their players and advanced ETL pipelines that get it usable for analysts extremely efficiently.

The coaching and tactics at both clubs are basically dictated by analytics, not the other way around. I could guarantee you if Arteta were to leave Woolwich and Thomas Frank came in you wouldn’t see much change because both men adapted to that model already. I would also bet that Arteta, like Frank would struggle at a club without that same infrastructure.
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That’s the main reason both Brentford and Woolwich give the overriding numbness when you watch them play. It feels like you are watching data points instead of humans that might do something unexpected

Fully agree that Frank swapping for Arteta probably wouldn’t make much difference at all.

I think the Premier League really want Woolwich to win the league this year and then make major changes to the way the game is officiated in the summer. Whatever this product is that both those clubs serve up, it’s not what the league has been so successful selling to rights buyers for so many years.

I’m guessing time limits for throw ins and set pieces, much more rigorous reffing of corners and set pieces, rules about time wasting and players sitting on the floor too long…
 
Even the Big Match Revisited have it in for us . They're showing the 1978 2nd division game against Sunderland, think that was the only game we lost at home (can't be bothered to look it up to confirm).
 
I like Sean Dyche, very good manager and a sound bloke. But nobody can save us now. Them twats we call our players wouldn’t perform for Pep, Klopp, Enrique, Carlo...
 
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