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For me the fact that VAR allowed the Newcastle equaliser today is a damning indictment of how corrupt the Premier League has become.

When VAR was in it's pomp there was a period where any handball in the penalty area led to a penalty being awarded. It mattered not one bit where your fucking hands were. Up your arse, 'natural position', un-natural position; it didn't matter. Consistency was the desired outcome and penalties were awarded.

Gary Gobshite & Spit were not happy about penalties being awarded at Old Trafford & Anfield so they lobbied for the pitchside monitor 'to put it back in the referee's hands'.

They got their way.

This was when the 'natural' and 'un-natural' hand position became a 'thing'.

Now it seems that handball is no longer handball when your hands are in a so called 'natural' position.

It doesn't matter if the handball prevents the pass reaching it's intended destination but diverts the ball into a goalscoring assist.

What absolute fucking bullshit bollocks is this?

The game is football and handling the ball is not allowed.

If it was deemed deliberate it is a mandatory booking.

I have concluded after todays debacle that Spurs are being treated with contempt by the majority of referees in all our home games. I could have forgiven Ange for telling the players to walk off the pitch today.

Joelinton went on to plough through Porro, despite having no chance of winning the ball, and deliberately attempted to give Porro a dead leg. The ball had to be put out of play so Porro could sort himself out. It was a stonewall booking but no card was produced.

Not long after this Bergvall was deliberately elbowed in the face by Joelinton. Again a stonewall booking which should have been Joelinton's second yellow of the day and therefore should have led to a red card being issued.

The Premier League is fucking corrupt and VAR has been deliberately misused to enable the crooks running the game to cheat.
 
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For me the fact that VAR allowed the Newcastle equaliser today is a damning indictment of how corrupt the Premier League has become.

VAR had no remit to disallow that goal unfortunately. It can only step in when the handball (intentional or otherise) directly leads to the goal - ie: when Solanke's potential goal against Ipswich was ruled out because it brushed his arm becfore he put it in the net.

The MASSIVE issue with that Geordie equaliser is that it was SO CLEARLY a handball - which then put them in to goal as out defenders were all out of position - that it's astounding the Ref or assistants never saw or flagged for it.

Unlike 10 minutes later when the ref (rightly) called handball on Dom when he was breaking through their lines.

This is what causes frustration with the system because Madley and his team made a massive error which could not be reversed in any way despite every player and most of the crowd knowing that Joelinton turned a foul into a perfect pass.
I mean - his arm wasy away from his body and it struck nothing but arm. It was a howler.
 
For me the fact that VAR allowed the Newcastle equaliser today is a damning indictment of how corrupt the Premier League has become.

When VAR was in it's pomp there was a period where any handball in the penalty area led to a penalty being awarded. It mattered not one bit where your fucking hands were. Up your arse, 'natural position', un-natural position; it didn't matter. Consistency was the desired outcome and penalties were awarded.

Gary Gobshite & Spit were not happy about penalties being awarded at Old Trafford & Anfield so they lobbied for the pitchside monitor 'to put it back in the referee's hands'.

They got their way.

This was when the 'natural' and 'un-natural' hand position became a 'thing'.

Now it seems that handball is no longer handball when your hands are in a so called 'natural' position.

It doesn't matter if the handball prevents the pass reaching it's intended destination but diverts the ball into a goalscoring assist.

What absolute fucking bullshit bollocks is this?

The game is football and handling the ball is not allowed.

If it was deemed deliberate it is a mandatory booking.

I have concluded after todays debacle that Spurs are being treated with contempt by the majority of referees in all our home games. I could have forgiven Ange for telling the players to walk off the pitch today.

Joelinton went on to plough through Porro, despite having no chance of winning the ball, and deliberately attempted to give Porro a dead leg. The ball had to be put out of play so Porro could sort himself out. It was a stonewall booking but no card was produced.

Not long after this Bergvall was deliberately elbowed in the face by Joelinton. Again a stonewall booking which should have been Joelinton's second yellow of the day and therefore should have led to a red card being issued.

The Premier League is fucking corrupt and VAR has been deliberately misused to enable the crooks running the game to cheat.
Football, 1 June 2019:

All touching of the ball with arm or hand is a handball and a penalty if in the defensive box, regardless of intent or impact.

Football, later June 2019:

Ok, now that we've fucked Spurs change the rule!
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The handball rule is nonsense. What is a "natural position" anyway? The "natural position" changes depending on what the rest of the body is doing. The only thing that should matter is if an advantage was gained with the ball making contact with the hand.
 
Started watching the match again. On the first Newcastle goal the attention is focused on the potential handball. But if you go back through the sequence leading up to it, what stands out is Saar's leading pass across the face of Spurs goal and too far ahead of Bergvall. A couple of steps back from that you see Austin with no really good options after the corner kick. Instead of booting it up the field, he continues to try to play out from the back. Spurs have the early lead and forced a buildup that wasn't there. Sometimes the safe play is the right play.
How'd you dare criticise the greatest man(ager) who's ever lived?

Don't you know...whenever we win (rarely), it's all cause of Ange's unique genius. But when we lose (often), it's absolutely not his fault but the ref's, players not executing his masterplan, media bashing, our own fanbase, grass cut too short, curvature of the earth, old Inca prophecy.

Man is better than God. Now apologise.
 
VAR had no remit to disallow that goal unfortunately. It can only step in when the handball (intentional or otherise) directly leads to the goal - ie: when Solanke's potential goal against Ipswich was ruled out because it brushed his arm becfore he put it in the net.

The MASSIVE issue with that Geordie equaliser is that it was SO CLEARLY a handball - which then put them in to goal as out defenders were all out of position - that it's astounding the Ref or assistants never saw or flagged for it.

Unlike 10 minutes later when the ref (rightly) called handball on Dom when he was breaking through their lines.

This is what causes frustration with the system because Madley and his team made a massive error which could not be reversed in any way despite every player and most of the crowd knowing that Joelinton turned a foul into a perfect pass.
I mean - his arm wasy away from his body and it struck nothing but arm. It was a howler.
Refs in this country in premier league are not strong in their decision making or clean cut. The vibe i get is they are worried about media backlash or upset crowd. If that was at anfield or old trafford umder ferguson thats handball without an after thought. Uefa refs are the benchmark imo.
 
You can take his bet and make money - isn't that all he was pointing out?
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Refs in this country in premier league are not strong in their decision making or clean cut. The vibe i get is they are worried about media backlash or upset crowd. If that was at anfield or old trafford umder ferguson thats handball without an after thought. Uefa refs are the benchmark imo.

Everyone in the ground - players from both sides and crowd - knew it was handball. The only people who didn't were the refs whose job it is to see these things.
 
How'd you dare criticise the greatest man(ager) who's ever lived?

Don't you know...whenever we win (rarely), it's all cause of Ange's unique genius. But when we lose (often), it's absolutely not his fault but the ref's, players not executing his masterplan, media bashing, our own fanbase, grass cut too short, curvature of the earth, old Inca prophecy.

Man is better than God. Now apologise.
He will end up being his own worst enemy.
 
For me the fact that VAR allowed the Newcastle equaliser today is a damning indictment of how corrupt the Premier League has become.

When VAR was in it's pomp there was a period where any handball in the penalty area led to a penalty being awarded. It mattered not one bit where your fucking hands were. Up your arse, 'natural position', un-natural position; it didn't matter. Consistency was the desired outcome and penalties were awarded.

Gary Gobshite & Spit were not happy about penalties being awarded at Old Trafford & Anfield so they lobbied for the pitchside monitor 'to put it back in the referee's hands'.

They got their way.

This was when the 'natural' and 'un-natural' hand position became a 'thing'.

Now it seems that handball is no longer handball when your hands are in a so called 'natural' position.

It doesn't matter if the handball prevents the pass reaching it's intended destination but diverts the ball into a goalscoring assist.

What absolute fucking bullshit bollocks is this?

The game is football and handling the ball is not allowed.

If it was deemed deliberate it is a mandatory booking.

I have concluded after todays debacle that Spurs are being treated with contempt by the majority of referees in all our home games. I could have forgiven Ange for telling the players to walk off the pitch today.

Joelinton went on to plough through Porro, despite having no chance of winning the ball, and deliberately attempted to give Porro a dead leg. The ball had to be put out of play so Porro could sort himself out. It was a stonewall booking but no card was produced.

Not long after this Bergvall was deliberately elbowed in the face by Joelinton. Again a stonewall booking which should have been Joelinton's second yellow of the day and therefore should have led to a red card being issued.

The Premier League is fucking corrupt and VAR has been deliberately misused to enable the crooks running the game to cheat.

Sadly, every single word of this is true.

People will mock you for saying it because they don't want to admit to themselves that it's true but it is.

The Premier League is closer to WWE than a legitimate sports league these days and it's getting more and more obvious by the game.

VAR was meant to take the subjectiveness and controversy out of officiating but instead they made the wording of the laws so slippery that it means they can interpret whatever they want, however they want.
 
Refs in this country in premier league are not strong in their decision making or clean cut. The vibe i get is they are worried about media backlash or upset crowd. If that was at anfield or old trafford umder ferguson thats handball without an after thought. Uefa refs are the benchmark imo.


I'm telling you, I was always dead against the Super League. No joke, I'm now 100% in favour just so I don't have to watch English refs every week.
 
Started watching the match again. On the first Newcastle goal the attention is focused on the potential handball. But if you go back through the sequence leading up to it, what stands out is Saar's leading pass across the face of Spurs goal and too far ahead of Bergvall. A couple of steps back from that you see Austin with no really good options after the corner kick. Instead of booting it up the field, he continues to try to play out from the back. Spurs have the early lead and forced a buildup that wasn't there. Sometimes the safe play is the right play.

I can well imagine Ange’s instructions to Austin was to do exactly that!

Sarr’s pass to Bergval was poor
 
Sadly, every single word of this is true.

People will mock you for saying it because they don't want to admit to themselves that it's true but it is.

The Premier League is closer to WWE than a legitimate sports league these days and it's getting more and more obvious by the game.

VAR was meant to take the subjectiveness and controversy out of officiating but instead they made the wording of the laws so slippery that it means they can interpret whatever they want, however they want.
A fucking pantomime is what it is.

We need Bobby Davro in drag to run across the pitch every time Spurs get a shit ref, making continual shit decisions, backed up by continually shit VAR decisions.
 
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