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Transfers Summer 2017 transfer window or, waiting for Godot

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Boltonspur said:
Isn't this "news" about a month old & haven't we already told them to fuck off with an even larger bid?

Edit- just seen SouthCoastSpur SouthCoastSpur post.
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Happens to me all the time. I posted last month in the famous Spurs fans thread when Barry Norman died. Put in something about 'I couldn't be arsed sifting through the previous 50 pages to see if he had been mentioned before'.

After posting thought I'd actually check just the previous page to find 5 posts on Barry Norman....dunce!

Quickly deleted my post.:dembelelol:
 
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CJJ said:
I think the perception of needing to buy these 'top quality' players is somewhat ignorant of the fact that we already have them.

I don't think people recognise that, as they weren't mega-money buys.

Kane is quite undoubtedly one of the best forwards in the world. Any doubt about that is dwindling as each season goes.

Alderweireld is one of the best CBs in the league. Alli can be inconsistent, but is still one of the best forward-minded midfielders out there. Son is proving to be one of the top attacking midfielders in the league. Eriksen showed this morning that he is, on his day (as his consistency has been questionable), a fantastic player.

If we gave away all our players, then had to re-sign them, how much would it cost in today's market? Based on the values/rumoured rejected offers, I'd say

Lloris - £25m-£40m (the latter if he was in the PL, former if in France)
Rose - £60m+
Trippier - Certainly £20m+
Alderwiereld - £60m+
Vertonghen - £25m+
Dier - £60m+
Wanyama - £40m+
Dembele - £30m
Winks - £30m+
Alli - £100m+
Son - £50m+
Eriksen - £70m+
Sissoko - £100k
Kane - £120m+

All speculative, but our first 11 would probably cost £700m+ to re-purchase in today's economy.


So, the question is this: Do we need to buy these so-called world-class players to compete, or just recognise that we don't need to, because we already have them?
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Good post mate but you miss my point.

We do have some of the talent but certainly not all of it and you forget that players are both ambitious and within reason aware of their respective worth and NOT Tottenham fans.

We can only go on so long retaining the services of the talent you correctly identify by constantly challenging but also improving literally year on year.

City and Chelsea pay so much by comparison that the feat for many players is getting signed by them. If they have to sit on their backsides for 3/4 years so be it if they get the inflated money.

So you are partially right but each year we need that bit more and this year have to add silverware to the plaudits or the leak of our players may become a flood, even if we get well remunerated in the meantime.

That is what makes our situation a little bit parlous.
 
CJJ said:
I think the perception of needing to buy these 'top quality' players is somewhat ignorant of the fact that we already have them.

I don't think people recognise that, as they weren't mega-money buys.

Kane is quite undoubtedly one of the best forwards in the world. Any doubt about that is dwindling as each season goes.

Alderweireld is one of the best CBs in the league. Alli can be inconsistent, but is still one of the best forward-minded midfielders out there. Son is proving to be one of the top attacking midfielders in the league. Eriksen showed this morning that he is, on his day (as his consistency has been questionable), a fantastic player.

If we gave away all our players, then had to re-sign them, how much would it cost in today's market? Based on the values/rumoured rejected offers, I'd say

Lloris - £25m-£40m (the latter if he was in the PL, former if in France)
Rose - £60m+
Trippier - Certainly £20m+
Alderwiereld - £60m+
Vertonghen - £25m+
Dier - £60m+
Wanyama - £40m+
Dembele - £30m
Winks - £30m+
Alli - £100m+
Son - £50m+
Eriksen - £70m+
Sissoko - £100k
Kane - £120m+

All speculative, but our first 11 would probably cost £700m+ to re-purchase in today's economy.


So, the question is this: Do we need to buy these so-called world-class players to compete, or just recognise that we don't need to, because we already have them?
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Fully agree.

I said it before and nobody agreed with me, but I will not be annoyed if we don't bring any big names in. I'll be happy replacing players that leave and promote from within.

The day we start spunking money like the others in the top six is the day my love for this club drops a level.

I'd rather not win anything than buy it.
 
sammyspurs said:
How ironic. If you want specifics show me where I said Neymar.

See my post above, it's all very clear.

If you think we need to spend big to compete with City and Chelsea then how can you think spending LESS than them will be enough to compete.

You lot have lost it
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I didn't say you suggested I said we should sign Neymar. You're not denying the various "So you're saying we should sign Messi????" posts are you? Despite the fact that no one has ever suggested that.

Yes, I think we should strengthen our squad in order to compete on two, three or four fronts to the best of our ability. No I don't think we either can or need to "do a Chelsea/City". I think should be able to combine our great first XI, our great coaching, the best of the yoot coming through AND a couple of additions in key positions, to which end...

1) Identify viable targets for areas we're weak in
2) Swiftly negotiate a price that all parties can live with
3) Incorporate the player(s) into the squad in good time to get up to speed with our system and required fitness levels.

I'm not part of any "lot", neither have I "lost it", although I appreciate your concern
 
CJJ said:
If we gave away all our players, then had to re-sign them, how much would it cost in today's market? Based on the values/rumoured rejected offers, I'd say

Lloris - £25m-£40m (the latter if he was in the PL, former if in France)
Rose - £60m+
Trippier - Certainly £20m+
Alderwiereld - £60m+
Vertonghen - £25m+
Dier - £60m+
Wanyama - £40m+
Dembele - £30m
Winks - £30m+
Alli - £100m+
Son - £50m+
Eriksen - £70m+
Sissoko - £100k
Kane - £120m+

All speculative, but our first 11 would probably cost £700m+ to re-purchase in today's economy.


So, the question is this: Do we need to buy these so-called world-class players to compete, or just recognise that we don't need to, because we already have them?
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Properly lol'ed at the price for Sissoko!
 
Bill Madrid said:
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I didn't say you suggested I said we should sign Neymar. You're not denying the various "So you're saying we should sign Messi????" posts are you? Despite the fact that no one has ever suggested that.

Yes, I think we should strengthen our squad in order to compete on two, three or four fronts to the best of our ability. No I don't think we either can or need to "do a Chelsea/City". I think should be able to combine our great first XI, our great coaching, the best of the yoot coming through AND a couple of additions in key positions, to which end...

1) Identify viable targets for areas we're weak in
2) Swiftly negotiate a price that all parties can live with
3) Incorporate the player(s) into the squad in good time to get up to speed with our system and required fitness levels.

I'm not part of any "lot", neither have I "lost it", although I appreciate you concern
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So why are you coming at me with all this "no one said that" and "show me a post" etc

You arent part of any "lot" then let them speak for themselves instead of demanding things of me, and when I give it to you, you talk about something else that I haven't criticized
 
CJJ said:
I think the perception of needing to buy these 'top quality' players is somewhat ignorant of the fact that we already have them.

I don't think people recognise that, as they weren't mega-money buys.

Kane is quite undoubtedly one of the best forwards in the world. Any doubt about that is dwindling as each season goes.

Alderweireld is one of the best CBs in the league. Alli can be inconsistent, but is still one of the best forward-minded midfielders out there. Son is proving to be one of the top attacking midfielders in the league. Eriksen showed this morning that he is, on his day (as his consistency has been questionable), a fantastic player.

If we gave away all our players, then had to re-sign them, how much would it cost in today's market? Based on the values/rumoured rejected offers, I'd say

Lloris - £25m-£40m (the latter if he was in the PL, former if in France)
Rose - £60m+
Trippier - Certainly £20m+
Alderwiereld - £60m+
Vertonghen - £25m+
Dier - £60m+
Wanyama - £40m+
Dembele - £30m
Winks - £30m+
Alli - £100m+
Son - £50m+
Eriksen - £70m+
Sissoko - £100k
Kane - £120m+

All speculative, but our first 11 would probably cost £700m+ to re-purchase in today's economy.


So, the question is this: Do we need to buy these so-called world-class players to compete, or just recognise that we don't need to, because we already have them?
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We could do with 2 or 3 better squad players, they don't need to be expensive - just slight upgrades on our current squad players.

I would imagine they would be somewhere between £10m and £30m each though, depending on age, current league and contract length.

I'd be very pleasantly surprised if all of Carter-Vickers, Walker-Peters, Onomah, Nkoudou and Janssen step up to mean we don't need anyone. But I just can't see it happening from what I've seen so far.
 
In my opinion we should sign 2 or max 3 players.
These should be players of top pedigree, whether they are 21 or 29.
I would suggest a striker of a different profile to Kane / Janssen (e.g. someone lightning fast) so we can play 2 up front if we need to, and rest Kane without it feeling like we are giving a charity case a game (Janssen as he played last year).

I would love to see us sign a really exciting attacking mid. Yes we have 2 of these already but i would like a third.

They won't be free so I think we should spend what we raise by sales on them.

I think that level of spending is probably about what all those accused of wanting "big spending" would want and expect.



If players with class and experience came available on a free, short term, I'd say get them too as I think it would have a great influence on the youngsters and boost us in the CL, where we lost our cool for some reason (Pepe and Alves both interested me, as did the idea of a cheap Kompany if Pep didn't want him.) Many here will disagree with that and I think Poch does too so you'll have your way.

Not sure why this view of spending is getting sand in anyone's vagina though.
 
sammyspurs said:
Yes, and now why would he do that?

Could it be to show that spending like those clubs have yielded success. Seeing as he posted it on the back of me slating their spending.....

Ridiculous notion that people feel we need to spend big to compete with Chelsea and City for silverware, yet then try and claim they don't think we need to spend as much.

Makes sense doesn't it.

City spend 400M and we need to also spend big to keep up.

But we can do that by spending....? How much John?

How much LESS spending than City is good enough? 100M less?

350M less

What is "big" enough to compete, if the argument is now "no one said do what City are doing"..?

Please give me a figure on how much less money we need to spend to still compete with City on the basis we need to spend big to compete.

Sooooo we can compete by not spending big in other words.

You've just gone full kit wanker, congrats
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You sound so angry all the time. There's an ignore function ain't there. I'm honestly not trying to be funny, but maybe you should use it for the likes of me and my little clique you mention. You'll probably feel a lot happier for it
 
This isn't fucking football manager.
We don't have a mega rich arab owner with billions and billions of oil money.

There is a reason we have invested heavily in our training and youth facilities. To develop great players to enable us to compete. It's a different path to the likes of Chelsea and city, abs I think we're much the better for it.

Even when the new stadium is built, we will not be going out and spending £300-£400 million in one transfer window and I fucking hope that remains the case!

Some of you will think I'm not a Spurs fan for what I'm about to say but I don't give a fuck...I would rather win FUCK ALL than do a city or Chelsea approach. To win that way would make all victories hollow, in my eyes. I love our current plan and approach and obviously hope it yields success and trophies. If it doesn't, I'll be disappointed...but I will still have my Tottenham Hotspur.
 
Bill Madrid said:
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I didn't say you suggested I said we should sign Neymar. You're not denying the various "So you're saying we should sign Messi????" posts are you? Despite the fact that no one has ever suggested that.

Yes, I think we should strengthen our squad in order to compete on two, three or four fronts to the best of our ability. No I don't think we either can or need to "do a Chelsea/City". I think should be able to combine our great first XI, our great coaching, the best of the yoot coming through AND a couple of additions in key positions, to which end...

1) Identify viable targets for areas we're weak in
2) Swiftly negotiate a price that all parties can live with
3) Incorporate the player(s) into the squad in good time to get up to speed with our system and required fitness levels.

I'm not part of any "lot", neither have I "lost it", although I appreciate your concern
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Mate, he is not worth it. You will be arguing with him for hours as he constantly moves the goalposts. For whatever reason, he is constantly using a strawman. I am beginning to think it is pathological at this point.

Edit: people lap it up because it sounds good. Fghting the enemy sort of thing and, indeed, you will be accepted by the clique at the top.
 
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