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Transfers Summer 2019 transfer thread

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Bill Madrid said:
This is only partly true. It certainly is at the biggest clubs (Ronaldo's release clause was €1 billion), but as you go down the scale it fast becomes less and less so (remember that every professional footballer here, however lowly, has to have one by law). Such clauses are inextricably linked to a players wages, so whenever a club wants to increase the clause, the players agent will want this to be reflected in an equivalent pay hike, thus restricting how high the club can set the buy-out amount. Such clauses set by such clubs are regularly met.
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I have seen that the buyout is linked to wages, how is it that Ronaldos (and RM) buyouts are so high while Barca have been relatively low? Neymar was not on a lot less wages compared to Ronnaldo. There is no formal link correct - but if that the case why not set everyones to 1bn?

I have looked and I have seen there should be a link between wages a b/o but RM seem to dispute this.
 
r-u-s-x said:
I have seen that the buyout is linked to wages, how is it that Ronaldos (and RM) buyouts are so high while Barca have been relatively low? Neymar was not on a lot less wages compared to Ronnaldo. There is no formal link correct - but if that the case why not set everyones to 1bn?

I have looked and I have seen there should be a link between wages a b/o but RM seem to dispute this.
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I don't know to be honest, perhaps its a media thing, look at us with our Billy-big-balls billion euro clausula de recisión
 
Bill Madrid said:
I don't know to be honest, perhaps its a media thing, look at us with our Billy-big-balls billion euro clausula de recisión
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It is often reported that RM have exceedingly high release clauses, I would doubt its just a media thing (i.e. they are lower but media report they are higher) as they are publicly known and registered with the FA are they not?

If you are saying RM are inflating them for press then the clauses are not linked to wages and I don't understand why everyone doesn't do exceedingly high clauses as they are only bad for a selling club.

I did a bit of reading on the subject a while back and this was my last question, if you could ask around Madrid (or a small town just outside Madrid) until you find the correct answer it would be most welcome.
 
r-u-s-x said:
It is often reported that RM have exceedingly high release clauses, I would doubt its just a media thing (i.e. they are lower but media report they are higher) as they are publicly known and registered with the FA are they not?

If you are saying RM are inflating them for press then the clauses are not linked to wages and I don't understand why everyone doesn't do exceedingly high clauses as they are only bad for a selling club.

I did a bit of reading on the subject a while back and this was my last question, if you could ask around Madrid (or a small town just outside Madrid) until you find the correct answer it would be most welcome.
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No, I'm not saying they're doing anything untoward, just that they set them higher to "look bigger", the billion-euro clause was big news (even though no one was going to pay it), just like hacks like to talk about our billion-pound stadium and Levy not minding at all, even tho the actual stadium part of that sum is somewhat lower.

I've asked loads of people over the years and no one seems to know the answer definitively. As far as I know, the link between clause and wages isn't an official or universal one, it's just that its used as leverage. The amount of the clause is therefore secondary, simply that if the club want to increase the clause, the player will ask for higher wages and vice-versa.

As for you saying "exceedingly high clauses as they are only bad for a selling club", that isn't really the case, if a player wants to leave and the club wants to sell, a very high clause wouldn't hinder anything. It's the same as a player in England having 4 years left on their contract really. The selling club has the upper hand in the negotiations but knows that if push comes to shove they'll have to come to some agreement with the player and his suitors.

Evidently, the worst thing by far for a selling club is having a release clause that is too low
 
Bill Madrid said:
No, I'm not saying they're doing anything untoward, just that they set them higher to "look bigger", the billion-euro clause was big news (even though no one was going to pay it), just like hacks like to talk about our billion-pound stadium and Levy not minding at all, even tho the actual stadium part of that sum is somewhat lower.

I've asked loads of people over the years and no one seems to know the answer definitively. As far as I know, the link between clause and wages isn't an official or universal one, it's just that its used as leverage. The amount of the clause is therefore secondary, simply that if the club want to increase the clause, the player will ask for higher wages and vice-versa.

As for you saying "exceedingly high clauses as they are only bad for a selling club", that isn't really the case, if a player wants to leave and the club wants to sell, a very high clause wouldn't hinder anything. It's the same as a player in England having 4 years left on their contract really. The selling club has the upper hand in the negotiations but knows that if push comes to shove they'll have to come to some agreement with the player and his suitors.

Evidently, the worst thing by far for a selling club is having a release clause that is too low
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sorry what I meant is there is no upside in the club having a clause its a ceiling rather than a floor, if they want to sell it wont hinder, if they don't it will hinder. all things being equal other than following spanish law there is no reason why a club would chose to have a clause.

I think we are on the same page here, I am still left how RM (how theirs doesnt have the same link to wages) can include big clauses not why they would want to.
 
Clubs can set the clause to whatever they want.

Also the clauses aren't linked to wages as such but to wage rises. That is as true for a skint piss-ant second division team like Lugo. So when Madrid upped Ron's clause from €700 million or whatever to €1 billion (insert Dr. Evil face here) his wages would have gone up proportionally.

Hence the vice-versa thing - if a player wants a pay rise, the club will up the clause as a hedge. If the club wants to protect its asset, the player will want more to reflect his perceived higher standing at the club. And like I say, that hold from the biggest to the smallest club.

And again, like I say, it's the law. Spanish people are surprised to find out it isn't the same everywhere else
 
r-u-s-x said:
I have seen that the buyout is linked to wages, how is it that Ronaldos (and RM) buyouts are so high while Barca have been relatively low? Neymar was not on a lot less wages compared to Ronnaldo. There is no formal link correct - but if that the case why not set everyones to 1bn?

I have looked and I have seen there should be a link between wages a b/o but RM seem to dispute this.
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Do their insurance cover reflect buy-out numbers?
 
kingdawson said:
If that's the case then it's a bit of a joke as Levy knows full well that's not even close to being accepted.
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It's an opening offer. He knows it's ridiculous but im sure it's the first of many and once he gets up to the 50 mill that will most likely seal the deal he will hope Betis will be happy to accept

Think about it, if Levy had gone from the start with a 50 mill offer then Betis would have rejected it thinking that they could get up to 70 mill further down the negotiations.

Of course the problem here is having to wait until an agreement can be reached. How long is it going to take until Levy is happy it's the right time to offer 50 mill. We all know it's most likely to be towards the end of the transfer window. That doesn't help Poch.
 
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