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Transfers Summer 2019 transfer thread

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scott said:
Airfixx try's to hard to be seen as a true fan. But all his credibility is lost when he defends people like spursdem personally abusing our own players. Posts like rose is a poisonous fat snake. Airfixx supports abusing our own players so he can't act as though he is above other fans.
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Scott bringing up posts from 3 years ago.

I've already said I've forgiven Rose for going to The Sun the week before our season started and he has returned to being one of my favourites.

You, evidently, still hold a grudge.

Stick to racially abusing our players mate.

LONG LIVE DANNY ROSE!

 
scott said:
Airfixx try's to hard to be seen as a true fan. But all his credibility is lost when he defends people like spursdem personally abusing our own players. Posts like rose is a poisonous fat snake. Airfixx supports abusing our own players so he can't act as though he is above other fans.
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Shut up you child.

I'm perfectly capable of having my own opinion.
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
Are you going to just keep repeating that or are you going to show me where I said that? Show me the evidence.

I have NEVER SAID or suggested anything of the fucking sort mate, that's absolute bollocks, I would never walk away from this club, that is your own confirmation bias twisting your view of things.

Me criticising the way we do business in the transfer window does not = me saying I will walk away if we fail to sign anybody, that's you viewing the conversation through a lens of emotion rather than logic.

All I have said this entire time is that if we want to compete in the way our manager wants us to compete then we have to match the spending of the teams above us and get the signings he wants, what part of that suggests I would walk away?

I would support spurs regardless of what happens, READ WHAT I WRITE.

I am not soft soaping anything, you wonder why called you an insufferable bore, this is why, you keep repeating the same bullshit despite it having no truth to it whatsoever, it's like having a discussion with a child.

My position has been clear all along, let me make it perfectly clear so you understand it completely, read the bolded for future reference instead of perceiving things in your own way.

I think our transfer policy needs to improve, I want our manager to be backed because he is the best manager we have had in my lifetime, if we want to truly compete for the league and CL on a continuous basis we have to match the spending of those above us and "change the project" as our manager has said, how we do that, I don't know, I don't even know if it's financially possible but that, imo, is what needs to happen.

I don't dislike Levy or ENIC, they are good owners, I am thankful for everything they have done for this club up until this point and irrespective of what happens in the transfer window, if Poch stays or goes or if we drop into league 2 I will still love and support this club until the day I die.

But that doesn't mean I will just accept everything and have a defeatist attitude, I love this club and I want more for us, I want more ambition, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that as far as I am concerned.

That's how I feel, so from now on, going forward, when you engage with me in a discussion, remember what I have just wrote instead of putting things together in your own mind about me, you would know all this already anyway if you had paid any attention whatsoever to posts I have written before now.
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So, what you've written before now is, you said want us to be able to compete with the biggest clubs financially, you want Levy/ENIC to ditch the current business model in order to do so, so that we can do what the big clubs do and just pay the asking price and get the player in straight away.

Because what is obvious is, we currently don't match the big boys in the market because we don't earn what they do in revenue, we are nowhere near as rich as these clubs. So do you think Levy is currently running the club in the least profitable way possible? That is, do you think there are ways we can adjust our business model to suddenly increase our earnings to that of RM, ManU, Citeh et al?

Also, if there is a magical business model to turn us from self-made club in to a billionaire plaything style powerhouse, wouldn't most clubs be doing it? Isn't it the dream of all clubs to be able to go out and buy whoever they want for whatever price they want because money is no object and they just can?

Y'see, this is the crux of your 50+ posts a day on the issue, no matter how much you want it, there is no magical formula for turning us in to a club that can afford to write off £70m when we realise the player we bought for the asking price (because we had to get him in early) turns out to be the next Rebrov, Soldado, Janssen. And as much as we have benefited financially from our success on the pitch in recent years, that will be short lived if we follow the business model of pissing it all up the wall as quickly as possible.
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
Hopefully we do, signing Ndombele and Lo Celso would be huge and would definitely remove the scepticism around Levy and ENIC and show people if they truly want to push this team forward to winning trophies.

I don't think anybody doubts their ability to make money, I just think, supporters like myself want to know if that's their only interest in this club, know what I mean?
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Except profits to date have been channelled back into the club.
 
MKYid said:
So, what you've written before now is, you said want us to be able to compete with the biggest clubs financially, you want Levy/ENIC to ditch the current business model in order to do so, so that we can do what the big clubs do and just pay the asking price and get the player in straight away.

Because what is obvious is, we currently don't match the big boys in the market because we don't earn what they do in revenue, we are nowhere near as rich as these clubs. So do you think Levy is currently running the club in the least profitable way possible? That is, do you think there are ways we can adjust our business model to suddenly increase our earnings to that of RM, ManU, Citeh et al?

Also, if there is a magical business model to turn us from self-made club in to a billionaire plaything style powerhouse, wouldn't most clubs be doing it? Isn't it the dream of all clubs to be able to go out and buy whoever they want for whatever price they want because money is no object and they just can?

Y'see, this is the crux of your 50+ posts a day on the issue, no matter how much you want it, there is no magical formula for turning us in to a club that can afford to write off £70m when we realise the player we bought for the asking price (because we had to get him in early) turns out to be the next Rebrov, Soldado, Janssen. And as much as we have benefited financially from our success on the pitch in recent years, that will be short lived if we follow the business model of pissing it all up the wall as quickly as possible.
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No, far from it, I think Levy is running it in the most profitable way possible because that's what him and ENIC value the most, profit imo.

My argument is that I think we could afford to take more risks in the market, even if it means a short downturn in profits, speculate to accumulate as they say in business.

Now, we could already be doing that and I could be completely off base, I don't know the inner workings of the club but what I do know is that our manager and our supporters want us winning trophies and I am simply saying the only way to do that is to change the way we operate and Poch agrees with that.

"Of course we are doing a fantastic job, but if we want to be real contenders we need to operate in a different way in the future."

That's the truth^ because if we remain in the current model the chance of us improving further is unlikely, we will either remain as we are or regress.

I don't want to approach it with a defeatist attitude so I would rather remain optimistic and believe we can change our model or if we can't under our current ownership then in the future we will have different owners who can because the alternative is that we just remain as we are and whilst that isn't a bad thing, far from it, it's excellent being a spurs supporter right now, it still isn't the best we can possibly be, which is clearly what any supporter should want for their club? Right?
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
No, far from it, I think Levy is running it in the most profitable way possible because that's what him and ENIC value the most, profit imo.

My argument is that I think we could afford to take more risks in the market, even if it means a short downturn in profits, speculate to accumulate as they say in business.

Now, we could already be doing that and I could be completely off base, I don't know the inner workings of the club but what I do know is that our manager and our supporters want us winning trophies and I am simply saying the only way to do that is to change the way we operate and Poch agrees with that.

"Of course we are doing a fantastic job, but if we want to be real contenders we need to operate in a different way in the future."

That's the truth^ because if we remain in the current model the chance of us improving further is unlikely, we will either remain as we are or regress.

I don't want to approach it with a defeatist attitude so I would rather remain optimistic and believe we can change our model or if we can't under our current ownership then in the future we will have different owners who can because the alternative is that we just remain as we are and whilst that isn't a bad thing, far from it, it's excellent being a spurs supporter right now, it still isn't the best we can possibly be, which is clearly what any supporter should want for their club? Right?
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How much profit have the owners siphoned out of the club?
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
I didn't say you did, you really don't fucking read do you?

I said you used the word retarded to describe my logic, not only does it make you look like a child and a complete cunt but it invalidates any argument you have because you clearly can't respond like an adult.
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I am amazed by people that get offended by language. It's a really fascinating thing.

Even moreso when using terms like cunt, then having a go at someone else's language.

Humans be crazy.
 
I'm of the opinion we should look to sell Eriksen either way.

We saw this season how his performances fell off hugely as he's now admitted he wants a new challenge.

Him staying with a new contract that will be his backup choice doesn't strike me as a catalyst to new heights.

Get in someone fresh I say.
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
I didn't say you did, you really don't fucking read do you?

I said you used the word retarded to describe my logic, not only does it make you look like a child and a complete cunt but it invalidates any argument you have because you clearly can't respond like an adult.
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State of yourself.

Contradictory, double-standard wielding, sanctimonious, victim-card playing moron.

Good luck on the pony.
 
pipes said:
Also don’t forget the clubs who actually spent most money last summer. Liverpool and Chelsea.

Liverpool has a pretty decent season that reflected their spend. Title challengers up until the last week and CL winners. Chelsea managed to finish above us despite having what many thought was a bad season. Also won a Europa League.

But just mention Fulham, West Ham and Everton because.....?
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That's where their argument always falls down. Spending money is a waste of time but city, Liverpool etc only won trophies because they spent lots of money.
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
No, far from it, I think Levy is running it in the most profitable way possible because that's what him and ENIC value the most, profit imo.

My argument is that I think we could afford to take more risks in the market, even if it means a short downturn in profits, speculate to accumulate as they say in business.

Now, we could already be doing that and I could be completely off base, I don't know the inner workings of the club but what I do know is that our manager and our supporters want us winning trophies and I am simply saying the only way to do that is to change the way we operate and Poch agrees with that.

"Of course we are doing a fantastic job, but if we want to be real contenders we need to operate in a different way in the future."

That's the truth^ because if we remain in the current model the chance of us improving further is unlikely, we will either remain as we are or regress.

I don't want to approach it with a defeatist attitude so I would rather remain optimistic and believe we can change our model or if we can't under our current ownership then in the future we will have different owners who can because the alternative is that we just remain as we are and whilst that isn't a bad thing, far from it, it's excellent being a spurs supporter right now, it still isn't the best we can possibly be, which is clearly what any supporter should want for their club? Right?
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How can we become a rich club if we don't maximise our profits? How can we speculate to accumulate if we don't have the money to speculate with? We need to balance the books and we need to have money in the bank in case our investments don't pay off, and this is what Levy seems to do best, it's why we're the only club to make it from mid-sized, mid-table to the top end of the table in the Premier league era without big oil money.
 
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