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Transfers Summer 2021 - Transfer Thread

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Well, in case you missed it, Alan Shearer went on to become Newcastles all time highest scorer, the premier leagues highest scorer, multiple golden boot winner. Keegan left for no apparent reason and Newcastles continued to qualify for the Champions League for a number of seasons and gained a decent fanbase in the process.
Their problems came, funny enough, as Shearer got older and more injury prone. They didn't/couldn't sell him so couldn't replace him. Eventually he retired and they went down.

So we want to copy that model?
There’s no right model unfortunately.
Shearer won nothing but personal accolades. Newcastle had their neutral fanbase before shearer and never really challenged again after keegan.
they were making the investment as the 2nd best team on the country - we’re selling the best cf in the uk whilst languishing in 6/7th place to take a punt on another striker few have seen much of.
Shearer was a sure thing as was Cole.
kane is too but is vlahovic?
 
And what did that achieve? United got Berbatov and we got Fraser fucking Campbell.
Whooptiedoo, we squeezed United for a few million extra and ended up with no Berbatov, no Keane, and Fraser fucking Campbell.

It's about accepting that Kane is going and about mitigating that loss for the good of the team, not for a headline number.
I'd rather take £10m less now and go and sign (say) Vlahovic and Martinez with that money before the window shuts, than hold out out a fee that makes you happy and we end up with some prat from Portugal on loan with an option to buy. Then next summer, when said prat is sent home with 4 goals to his name and the football economy has recovered, we can't afford any quality strikers because the foreign clubs are all back at the table.

What it achieved was not Fraser Campbell or a few million, it was the fear of approaching us.

Cant remember the interview exactly, but it was essentially "what do you think of getting that Spurs player" and Fergie saying "Fuck that! Its too much effort..."

THAT is what it achieves. Similarly Modric and Bale. There is a precedent that has helped protect our assets while we try to build and compete. Its very important, IMO.

If City are to get Kane, as looks fairly likely, its needs to hurt them, needs to cost them, and needs to leave them thinking twice about coming back for someone else in a couple of seasons.

THAT is the key to standing fast on a price that works for us.

Aside from which, as I said initially, I dont really disagree with getting the deal done for the betterment of the club in the bigger picture.

If the difference really is £10m but allows us better business this summer, Id take it. Providing it still leaves City's fingers burned ;)
 
The logic is that players are available to buy now but they may not be a year or 2 in the future when Kane ultimately does leave, which he will.

Why wouldnt there be players available in a year too? Different ones, of course, but Martinez and Vlahovic arent the only possible options over the next year or so, are they?

Who is to say Scarlett or someone from within wont make a break through?

And as much as you are looking at the 'cost' of keeping Kane - what of the benefit? What if keeping him fires us to the CL and allows a whole different strata of players to sign next season? What if getting there makes him want to stay? Or if he leaves - you lose maybe £40m off his price tag, but gain £100m from that qualification....

I understand the logic of your point, but I dont think its the only thing that makes sense.
 
Let's try an example.

Newcastle fans were all pissed that they sold Andy Cole to United. £7m or so was cheap.
6 months later they used that £7m to buy £15m Alan Shearer and he scored shit loads.
No one cares anymore about the Cole fee or that they lost his goals

Ferdinand replaced Cole though...

Shearer was the year after.
 
The logic is that players are available to buy now but they may not be a year or 2 in the future when Kane ultimately does leave, which he will.

If Newcastle didn't sell Cole to United, they wouldn't have been able to buy Shearer and then the only place for Shearer to go would have been United.
They sold Cole 94/95 and signed Shearer 96/97, spending ~£22m the season in between (partially on Ferdinand and Ginola incidentally).

Sure you can make a solid argument that without the sale they wouldn't have eventually signed Shearer, but the two aren't intrinsically linked as you seem to be suggesting.
 
The logic is that players are available to buy now but they may not be a year or 2 in the future when Kane ultimately does leave, which he will.

If Newcastle didn't sell Cole to United, they wouldn't have been able to buy Shearer and then the only place for Shearer to go would have been United.
In 2 years time Kane will be 30. It’s unlikely that any club that can “guarantee” trophies will be looking to bring him in. Maybe on a free, if Kane doesn’t re-sign, but we’d have had all of his best years anyway by then. It’s not like we’ll be losing what we’ve outlaid for him either, he’s an academy product.

Don’t get me wrong here, I’m still of the mindset that we sell him, but for the right price, and if the rumours are to be believed, £120M is simply not even close. Even with add ins I’d tell them to do one. At this point in time, there isn’t a single striker on Earth who can replicate what Kane does, so his fee should reflect that, not equal the fee for an inferior striker in Lukaku.

As to your Cole/Shearer example, it is inherently flawed. They sold a very good striker and bought the best in the league. We’d be doing the opposite, as any striker(s) we buy would be inferior. We would need to buy two and, as we’ve been seeing from reports, getting in 2 strikers who “potentially” could replicate his productivity could possibly cost us more.

Bollox to that!
 
We might end up bidding for Watkins or Toney if Kane goes. Problem is Villa will want 70-80 mill and Brentford will most likely seek over 50 mill. World's gone bonkers.
 
There’s no right model unfortunately.
Shearer won nothing but personal accolades. Newcastle had their neutral fanbase before shearer and never really challenged again after keegan.
they were making the investment as the 2nd best team on the country - we’re selling the best cf in the uk whilst languishing in 6/7th place to take a punt on another striker few have seen much of.
Shearer was a sure thing as was Cole.
kane is too but is vlahovic?

Thing is, Newcastle as a club haven't won't anything since pre 70s iirc. So for them, where they were at that time was glorious over achievement. Evidenced by what has followed. They're now the West Ham of the North. Actually probably worse.

Why wouldnt there be players available in a year too? Different ones, of course, but Martinez and Vlahovic arent the only possible options over the next year or so, are they?

Who is to say Scarlett or someone from within wont make a break through?

And as much as you are looking at the 'cost' of keeping Kane - what of the benefit? What if keeping him fires us to the CL and allows a whole different strata of players to sign next season? What if getting there makes him want to stay? Or if he leaves - you lose maybe £40m off his price tag, but gain £100m from that qualification....

I understand the logic of your point, but I dont think its the only thing that makes sense.

The reason a lot of players potentially available now might not be in a year is the effect of Covid. It appears most of Europe are struggling including Inter, Juve, Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern... Give it a year of crowds back in the grounds and those teams will be back at the table outgunning us.

Ferdinand replaced Cole though...

Shearer was the year after.

Point taken, I'm doing this from memory. Ferdinand was more than a capable replacement for Cole and scored as frequently and, now you mentioned it, was signed for a similar amount. 50 goals in 84 games over 2 seasons. 1.68 games per goal.
Andy Cole, 3 seasons 84 games 68 goals 1.23 games per goal.
I'd say Ferdinand did a good/great job of holding that spot until they got Shearer.
They sold Cole 94/95 and signed Shearer 96/97, spending ~£22m the season in between (partially on Ferdinand and Ginola incidentally).

Sure you can make a solid argument that without the sale they wouldn't have eventually signed Shearer, but the two aren't intrinsically linked as you seem to be suggesting.
As above, forgot entirely about Sir Les
 
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