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Transfers Summer 2021 - Transfer Thread
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That’s my only conclusion as well, our players all going backwards can only be one thing. I get it with Toby as he is getting older but the rest, it’s like we have stopped coaching.
it’s just fucking bizarre.
Sanchez was always second fiddle to Toby and Jan for a reason, he always looked like he had a mistake in him and Dier a season or two ago was a DM. We haven’t seen him as a CB for a while and even then it was mostly with Toby and Jan alongside him with Walker and Rose at FB and Wanyama doing his thing to help.
I don’t blame the manager, I personally blame all of those connected at the club that believe a team that had recently been in a Champions League final are well equipped to continue that trajectory with two very clearly limited players forming the defensive foundations like we are currently seeing.
I think its because a few things
1) Poch seemed to want a back 3 so he was an upgrade on CDM Dier
2) He would be the heir to Toby/Jan as both were approaching their 30's
3) It was seen as a good opportunity as bigger clubs like Madrid were interested in him
I think we paniced a bit. He had a very good 17/18 saying that. But then since then he has for some reason massively regressed.
The problem is there were already warning signs like what Mou said in the EL final when he was playing for Ajax.
He is very error prone , poor distribution and also has this really really bad habit of misjudging players I remember in the 17/18 season a game against West Brom i think where Rondon was able just to nudge him off and score. Sanchez thought he would be stronger - he wasn't. Reminds me a bit of what he did yesterday with lingard.
Did we ever really have a transfer direction though?
The “young up and coming” mantra that was pushed by Levy over the years was, in my opinion, just his justification for signing cheap punts rather than established stars. It’s horseshit. We don’t have any philosophy of the sort.
Levy has shown numerous times throughout the years that he has no problem signing older players, provided they don’t break the bank (Saha, Adebayor, Llorente, Doherty) the list goes on and on.
It’s all hot air. The same as how he’s always said the style of football is hugely important to him, playing the “Tottenham way” then when we finally get a manager who instils that ethos into the whole club, he sacks him and goes and appoints Mourinho.
I don’t trust anything the man says anymore.
Sanchez has been taken step after step backwards. Literally getting worse and worse with every passing season.
Quite a stretch blaming Mou for it... I think it was poor scouting and he has just some serious issues in his skillset (but they were not exposed that much when we had stronger midfield in front of defense).
Don't get me wrong. I am not a big fan, and I think he was terribly overpriced. What I have observed with Mourinho is that a player can be flavour of the month for a while, then suddenly dropped, and not even make the matchday squad. You're in cold storage, then you are suddenly thrown into the mix and expected to perform. Humiliated in the dressing room and on the training ground. Told you are shit and/or not told why you are out of favour. The way he spoke to Aurier in front of his colleagues-you can be sure he is doing that to others, too. The conditions for the players to perform, then, are not right.
Maybe you are right, but there did seem to be a time when the team had a good HG flavour to it. Maybe we would have to go back to the days of Comolli (love him or hate him) to see a decent strategy in place. The spiralling cost of building the stadium saw us lose our marbles, I feel.
I don't expect established stars, and I don't demand them. We spend money, but we spend it badly, IMO.
And I don't like Levy, by the way. I don't think he understands football at all, so I would prefer if he had nothing to do with the football side of things.
Just for anyone to decipher:
Sanchez's record under Pochettino (Alongside either Alderweireld or Dier)
P:25
W:13
D: 4
L:8
Cleansheets:9
Conceded:27
Goal conceded every 83 minutes.
Cleansheet every 2.7 games
Over 2 and a half years.
Sanchez's record under Mourinho (Alongside either Alderweireld or Dier)
P:34
W:20
D: 6
L:8
Cleansheets:6
Conceded: 47
Goal conceded every 65 minutes.
Cleansheet every 5.6 games.
Over 15 months.
Sanchez's record under Pochettino (Alongside either Alderweireld or Dier)
P:25
W:13
D: 4
L:8
Cleansheets:9
Conceded:27
Goal conceded every 83 minutes.
Cleansheet every 2.7 games
Over 2 and a half years.
Sanchez's record under Mourinho (Alongside either Alderweireld or Dier)
P:34
W:20
D: 6
L:8
Cleansheets:6
Conceded: 47
Goal conceded every 65 minutes.
Cleansheet every 5.6 games.
Over 15 months.
Yea, regarding that I agree.
I don't know what exactly is going on behind closed doors, but even the fact how we chop and change CB partnerships is weird. If all of out CBs are poorish, then let's have constant&poorish pairing; instead of having similar level CBs having new partners every game, resulting in confused&poorish partnerships.
I think a Director of Football with a clear strategy and vision would be hugely beneficial.
Unfortunately, as we’ve seen over the years, whilst Levy demands to have such a huge influence on things at the club, a Director of Football system will not work.
We go from Director of Football system to no Director of Football, we’ve had DoFs whom the manager has wanted, DoFs whom the manager hasn’t wanted, every DoF we’ve had over the years has had different philosophy’s and views which means we’ve had no continuity or structure.
Just shit management from top to bottom really, and again unfortunately it’s hard to pin that on anyone but the chairman.
We pulled out of signing Skriniar, who lets be honest, would have made a difference this season. We'll now most likely miss out on European football due to continued defensive errors costing us points on a weekly basis. We all knew we needed a new quality centre-back for some time now. It was a genuine area we knew we had to improve upon.
Levy is penny wise and pound foolish.
Levy is penny wise and pound foolish.
I don’t think he would have made that much of a difference. He is an upgrade on Dier but not the stud CB we need to come in and take control of the backline and provide stability.
He would have made a lot of errors under pressure like we are and done nothing to help us move the ball upfield.
I’ll take him as a Dier upgrade, but if all he does is takes Toby’s place we don’t improve. We need better than him if we want to really improve our team.
I think what is more important is moving out the deadwood.
I honestly would almost prefer if they went with a younger, cheaper approach to rebuild the team than throwing around big money for older, mediocre players.
Obviously the best move would be buying top level, expensive young good players but that will never happen.
My concern is that no Europe allows Levy to do nothing and use no Europe as an excuse. CL or no CL shouldn’t impact us selling Sissoko, Aurier, Winks, Lamela, Moura, Dier, Sanchez but Levy likely uses it as a reason which is my concern.
However, if he is keeping Jose it could be a good thing if it prevents Jose from spending big money on the crap Jose would want.
I agree. But we aren't in the Champions League so will struggle to attract better players unless we're offering them silly money - which Levy doesn't do. It's going to be obscure or out of favour players.
Who do you see as the ideal signing?
He's just a moron. We need clever players in this team.
Get them to do an IQ test before we sign off on the deal.
Too many dopes stinking the place up.
I don’t see an ideal signing because every guy that would come in an immediately do it will cost too much or not come or will be inexperienced so have questions.
I will say for me, and what I think Spurs should be doing overall, is looking at a guy like Fofana instead of Skriniar.
Try to get a young guy that can develop into the guy you want.
These guys might already cost too much or have eyes on bigger things but Ben White interests me, Jules Kounde obviously, I haven’t seen enough of Botman but the hype is intriguing. I am sure there are more guys in Europe that I am totally unfamiliar with that would work as well.
I really want any CB we bring in to be comfortable on the ball, I think that is key now. They don’t have to be Iniesta but we shouldn’t cringe when they get the ball or try to pass like we do with anyone not Toby or Tanganga.
As mentioned earlier Godfrey woukd have been nice to have right now as well.
When Poch took charge of his first match at Spurs the squad included :
Lloris, Vorm, Walker, Rose, Davies, Vertonghen, Dembele, (Mason and Bentaleb - Poch's first season CM duo), Lamela, Eriksen, Dele and Kane, plus others, not to mention a number of HG youngsters.
Son arrived via his Agent as he was pissed off at his previous club not allowing him to compete at Asian Games (winning giving a life changing exemption from a 2 year Military Service obligation), which Spurs agreed to do, Whilst Alderweireld as Vertonghen's Belgian CB partner came as he was out of favour on Atletico Madrid bench or on loan).
Other than that most of the players bought after Poch demanded to be Manager (ie bigger input into transfers and youth development) after one season or he was off, have turned out not to be so good.
The list coming in over those 4 years include Sanchez, Sissoko, Moura, Aurier, Jannsen, Nkoudoo, N'Jie etc......a pretty meh list despite some of the fees paid........£47m our highest ever fee for Sanchez, £30m for Sissoko rather than buying Grealish, Maddison and Brooks for the same total money (but needing to develop them) etc. And giving new contracts to Sissoko and Lamela.
Sadly a re-run of Poch buying the likes of Osvaldo at both Espanyol and Southampton - and each club cancelling player contract for gross miss conduct. Poch's talents are as a coach, not at buying players
So a massive squad overhaul was inevitable even before Poch left, with pretty much none of the incomings over 4 years consistently making a great impression.
Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon cost £100m + in summer 2019
Summer 2020 we would probably have repeated buying that quality of player, however with covid we also needed to increase the size of squad to deal with increased match frequency so bought in 7 players - Hojbjerg, Reguilon and Rodon probably pass the quality test, with jury out on Bale still, Hart a decent free HG option, but Doherty has yet to show his Wolves form at Spurs. Sadly nobody wanted most of the players we wanted to offload.
So no surprise that in summer2021, we still need to rectify 4 years worth of bad buying by trying to offload the likes of Sanchez, Sissoko et al bought in those years .
So its not going to be easy as we have a full squad now - but arguably half of them we need to upgrade on over the next couple of years.
The only good news is that we have Skipp and Sessegnon coming back from loan to fill 2 positions. The bad news is that players such as Sissoko, Sanchez, Lamela, Moura, Aurier will be on high wages which other clubs may not wish to match so we may well need to subsidise the remaining years of their contracts.
So summer 2021, in practice given almost no clubs have money due to covid, I'm hoping to get 3 or 4 good players in plus Skipp and Sessegnon back, whilst I'd really like double that number in.......is Frank Aarnesen still around to give is 'Frankie's Funtime Fridays' with a new player announced once a week ?
Lloris, Vorm, Walker, Rose, Davies, Vertonghen, Dembele, (Mason and Bentaleb - Poch's first season CM duo), Lamela, Eriksen, Dele and Kane, plus others, not to mention a number of HG youngsters.
Son arrived via his Agent as he was pissed off at his previous club not allowing him to compete at Asian Games (winning giving a life changing exemption from a 2 year Military Service obligation), which Spurs agreed to do, Whilst Alderweireld as Vertonghen's Belgian CB partner came as he was out of favour on Atletico Madrid bench or on loan).
Other than that most of the players bought after Poch demanded to be Manager (ie bigger input into transfers and youth development) after one season or he was off, have turned out not to be so good.
The list coming in over those 4 years include Sanchez, Sissoko, Moura, Aurier, Jannsen, Nkoudoo, N'Jie etc......a pretty meh list despite some of the fees paid........£47m our highest ever fee for Sanchez, £30m for Sissoko rather than buying Grealish, Maddison and Brooks for the same total money (but needing to develop them) etc. And giving new contracts to Sissoko and Lamela.
Sadly a re-run of Poch buying the likes of Osvaldo at both Espanyol and Southampton - and each club cancelling player contract for gross miss conduct. Poch's talents are as a coach, not at buying players
So a massive squad overhaul was inevitable even before Poch left, with pretty much none of the incomings over 4 years consistently making a great impression.
Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon cost £100m + in summer 2019
Summer 2020 we would probably have repeated buying that quality of player, however with covid we also needed to increase the size of squad to deal with increased match frequency so bought in 7 players - Hojbjerg, Reguilon and Rodon probably pass the quality test, with jury out on Bale still, Hart a decent free HG option, but Doherty has yet to show his Wolves form at Spurs. Sadly nobody wanted most of the players we wanted to offload.
So no surprise that in summer2021, we still need to rectify 4 years worth of bad buying by trying to offload the likes of Sanchez, Sissoko et al bought in those years .
So its not going to be easy as we have a full squad now - but arguably half of them we need to upgrade on over the next couple of years.
The only good news is that we have Skipp and Sessegnon coming back from loan to fill 2 positions. The bad news is that players such as Sissoko, Sanchez, Lamela, Moura, Aurier will be on high wages which other clubs may not wish to match so we may well need to subsidise the remaining years of their contracts.
So summer 2021, in practice given almost no clubs have money due to covid, I'm hoping to get 3 or 4 good players in plus Skipp and Sessegnon back, whilst I'd really like double that number in.......is Frank Aarnesen still around to give is 'Frankie's Funtime Fridays' with a new player announced once a week ?
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Yet again I think the first item on the summer transfer list is to make sure our best players don’t bolt. As loyal as Son and Kane are, if we end this season outside the top 4 and without a trophy, other teams may come in for them. We also need to get rid of the deadwood. Too many players on our bench that don’t make a slight bit of difference when they come on. One world class CB and one world class RB. Easier said then done. A box to box midfielder would also be good. Keep Lo Celso but he’s spending way too much time on the injury list. An injured player is worthless unfortuently.
I think from our midfield up is ok. The tools are there so it’s up to the manager to play a brand of attacking football. Our defence is horse shit though with the exception of Req.
I think from our midfield up is ok. The tools are there so it’s up to the manager to play a brand of attacking football. Our defence is horse shit though with the exception of Req.
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