Again agree with all that but when they slip, eg when they finished out the CL a few years ago, they are in shit. He dumped in 250M that season to keep them going….that’s the added benefit of us finishing in the CL, it sends one of our rivals spiralling as they have massive wage bills that lack resilience (even for a season without that gravy train).
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Your guess is wrong. It was less than three years ago when he had to pump in 250MI mean I'm gonna go ahead and guess the vast majority of that debt was incurred during the early years of his ownership, when they certainly weren't sustainable. I knowr-u-s-x mentioned he put in another 20m or so last year, but in the grand scheme of things these days they have the revenue stream of an elite club, so even if Abramovich walks it's not like they'd collapse. The academy and squad are all pretty top notch, and any new owner would be pretty wealthy.
In recent seasons, they've been ran pretty sustainably. Obviously that all came from the big ol' boost up they got in the first place.
I mean I'm gonna go ahead and guess the vast majority of that debt was incurred during the early years of his ownership, when they certainly weren't sustainable. I know
In recent seasons, they've been ran pretty sustainably. Obviously that all came from the big ol' boost up they got in the first place.
Mate, their debt to RA increased from 1.3bn to 1.5bn over the last year or so......
That's not sustainability.
I'm legitimately interested as to how they're incurring all this debt, barring the usual covid losses. A look at their recent seasons when it comes to transfer shows a pretty low net spend, they have a high wage bill but not one that should be crippling for a side who are regularly in the CL and pretty regularly go deep in to it (or even win the thing) and they're a big brand worldwide now, with a big revenue stream.
It seems odd, but I stand corrected. On paper it looks like they're a club who don't require lots of outside sources of income.
Dunno tbh..... Haven't really looked very deeply.... Never made sense to me that they lost money despite winning the CL but there you go.
Never thought of them as a club that would have big brand/revenue globally though.
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Interesting, thanks. I was under the impression they'd gradually tried to wean themselves off Abramovich after he'd set them up, but looks to be more to it.
(Then again, the oil clubs did so via false income streams, so shouldn't be too surprising..)
Because they are a shithouse of a club. Sheffield Wednesday of the south with a fake heritage
House of cards propped up by a money laundering criminal
They have been trying to renivate their ground for a decade or more, wages are high and they still spend a fair bit.
He bought the club to sportswash himself not a country, think he's happier to keep the club in debt
I suspect the basics are a relatively low match day income, high wages, not particularly high commercial income and they've usually been baled out by profits on sales of the large number of players on loan. Not helped of course by frequent management changes/payoffs and generally overpaying for players.
Analysis of recent results - despite good on field results but hit by covid as everyone else has, they have big losses
Does seem like they're overly reliant on the aforementioned player sales, and if that at any point dries up, they'd be in pretty serious problems when it comes to flexing their muscles in the transfer market. They'll have taken a pretty big hit on the Lukaku signing, especially since Werner is on a mega wage and flopped too.
I wonder how much they'd re-coup if they sold either of those now.
Changes in fifa regulations means (I think) a maximum of over 21's being loaned out by any club, could certainly restrict player sales profits as they could only loan out lots of u21's. Longer term problem
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. Think before you speak. And stop being so Arrogant and Condescending. It's because of Idiots like you and Adolph Hitler that people go to war. Thinking your opinion is better than others.Point 1 - I was speaking about the offer before the Villa Takeover. Not the 25 million bid. If you need you memory jogged
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On point 2 & 3 - I didn't say Traore didn't prefer Barcelona. I knew he went there for Christmas and I knew he probably had talks with Barca. What I did say, Daniel Levy Haggling for two weeks and trying to shave off 5 million on the price, left enough time for Agent, Player and Club to play the field. Had Levy payed what was asked, he would have immediately known Traore wasn't interested. Levy haggled for 3 weeks (excluding the seasons before), Barca completed transfer in 3 days.
The same applies for Diaz. Levy haggled for 6 Days, Liverpool completed transfer in 2 days.
If a player is wasting your time, offering what is asked quickly get you to realise that. That way you don't leave it so late that you don't manage to get what you were aiming for. Then again Levy is always aiming for nothing. Poch, Jose and now Conté have made that clear.
Point 4 - I never claimed we should purchase any expensive striker. I've always maintained getting a seasoned, end of his career striker without huge transfer costs would suite us better. I actually hoped we could poach the likes of Lewendowski at the end of his contract. I'm sure we could give it a try to sign him as a free agent.
Lastly, I've never said Kulu or Benta are not worthy of being bought. What I did say, and Conté agrees, is that they are coming from Juventus bench to joining a EPL Club. It will take time to get them fully ready for regular starts. At that stage, not much was known about them and it is proven players from other leagues, generally battle to play themselves in. Maybe I'm proven wrong and they burst in the scene but it's a risk as we had taken with Tangy, Gil and Lol Celso that didn't pay off.
Lastly, I pride myself treating every man on his own merit. Despite being from, what you seem to perceive, an illiterate South Africa. I will not generalise, I've gotten to know many Great Englishman. I think most of you are cool.
I think it's you that should get off the couch in Mom's basement, go upstairs to the kitchen and give her a mighty big talking to for raising an Arsehole like you.
Most of their loans are homegrown (and buy back clauses are also a loophole).
The cap does not apply to players aged 21 and under, or players who are “club trained” – so those who have been with either their current club or another in the same national association for at least three years between the ages of 15-21. These are usually referred to in the Premier League as “homegrown” players.
Point 1 - I was speaking about the offer before the Villa Takeover. Not the 25 million bid. If you need you memory jogged
Massive Levy blunder saw Tottenham turn down bargain Grealish swoop
Tottenham could have signed Aston Villa captain Jack Grealish for just £6million in the summer of 2018, according to reports.
On point 2 & 3 - I didn't say Traore didn't prefer Barcelona. I knew he went there for Christmas and I knew he probably had talks with Barca. What I did say, Daniel Levy Haggling for two weeks and trying to shave off 5 million on the price, left enough time for Agent, Player and Club to play the field. Had Levy payed what was asked, he would have immediately known Traore wasn't interested. Levy haggled for 3 weeks (excluding the seasons before), Barca completed transfer in 3 days.
The same applies for Diaz. Levy haggled for 6 Days, Liverpool completed transfer in 2 days.
If a player is wasting your time, offering what is asked quickly get you to realise that. That way you don't leave it so late that you don't manage to get what you were aiming for. Then again Levy is always aiming for nothing. Poch, Jose and now Conté have made that clear.
Point 4 - I never claimed we should purchase any expensive striker. I've always maintained getting a seasoned, end of his career striker without huge transfer costs would suite us better. I actually hoped we could poach the likes of Lewendowski at the end of his contract. I'm sure we could give it a try to sign him as a free agent.
Lastly, I've never said Kulu or Benta are not worthy of being bought. What I did say, and Conté agrees, is that they are coming from Juventus bench to joining a EPL Club. It will take time to get them fully ready for regular starts. At that stage, not much was known about them and it is proven players from other leagues, generally battle to play themselves in. Maybe I'm proven wrong and they burst in the scene but it's a risk as we had taken with Tangy, Gil and Lol Celso that didn't pay off.
Lastly, I pride myself treating every man on his own merit. Despite being from, what you seem to perceive, an illiterate South Africa. I will not generalise, I've gotten to know many Great Englishman. I think most of you are cool.
I think it's you that should get off the couch in Mom's basement, go upstairs to the kitchen and give her a mighty big talking to for raising an Arsehole like you.
Accept other posters opinions of you.
I was addressing a well known troll, so butt out
Don’t they owe abramovich 1.5 billion as a business? Surely if he’s told he can’t own businesses over here he’ll suck all of that out of the club and leave them fucked?
Fingers crossed
Fingers crossed
Sadly they're self-sustaining now. That ship sailed like 10 years ago...
Squad I'd quite fancy for next season...
GK: Hugo - Henderson - Academy kid
RWB: Maehle - Royal
+ Djed (loaned out in PL)
RCB: Romero - Tangs
CB: Dier - Tarko (on loan from Burnley)
+ Rodon (loaned out in PL/Ch'ship)
LCB: Kilman - Davies
LWB: Wijndal - Sess
CM: Rod - JWP - Skipp - Hoj - Winks
+ White (loaned out in Ch'ship)
+ Sarr (loaned out in PL)
RW: Dejan - Lucas
+ Troy (loaned out in Ch'ship)
CF: Kane - Hlozek (on loan from Sparta)
+ Brereton (loaned out in PL)
LW: Sonny - Gil
Outgoings: Gollini, Austin, Whiteman, Doherty (swap + cash for Spence?), Sanch (swap + cash for Maehle?), Carter-Vickers (swap + cash for Kilman?), Reguilon, Ndombele, Lo Celso (swap + cash for JWP?), Bergy...also should've some Dele money coming in so I reckon our net spend wouldn't be atrocious
GK: Hugo - Henderson - Academy kid
RWB: Maehle - Royal
+ Djed (loaned out in PL)
RCB: Romero - Tangs
CB: Dier - Tarko (on loan from Burnley)
+ Rodon (loaned out in PL/Ch'ship)
LCB: Kilman - Davies
LWB: Wijndal - Sess
CM: Rod - JWP - Skipp - Hoj - Winks
+ White (loaned out in Ch'ship)
+ Sarr (loaned out in PL)
RW: Dejan - Lucas
+ Troy (loaned out in Ch'ship)
CF: Kane - Hlozek (on loan from Sparta)
+ Brereton (loaned out in PL)
LW: Sonny - Gil
Outgoings: Gollini, Austin, Whiteman, Doherty (swap + cash for Spence?), Sanch (swap + cash for Maehle?), Carter-Vickers (swap + cash for Kilman?), Reguilon, Ndombele, Lo Celso (swap + cash for JWP?), Bergy...also should've some Dele money coming in so I reckon our net spend wouldn't be atrocious
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9 new signings, eh?
You can have 2.
… and 4 outs.
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Oh fucks sake can we have an actual alarm that goes off when some village ejit that can't watch football post some crap about buying James useless Tarkowski. For the final time he's shit , he's always been shit and he will never ever ever play for a club with aspirations of champions league football.
I'm sorry I lost my temper, his name has that effect on me. I'd take Maehle in a heart beat.
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