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Transfers Summer 2022 Transfer Thread.

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blackburn said:
Who is going to spend £25m on Ndombele?
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todd1882 said:
You don't say? Though this ignores the substance of my point and gets you away from the prickly parts of the argument I will still respond anyway.

Yes, football is more than "1v1 on the wing" but the rest of all those footbally things going on are made easier when that backline AND that particular FB are outrageously concerned with the fact that your attacking player has that FB on toast. Long sentence, hell of a point. Football is "more than 1v1 on the wing" it is 1v1 all over the field.

To think football more than individual 1v1 actions is to totally miss the point; it's 1v1 everywhere, all the time. It's the very reason that dribblers are so loved by the teams that have them and hated by the teams that have to defend them. And dribbling allied with quickness to beat a man is essential to top players. And that doesn't "depend on the rest of the squad". It only depends on a respective player's ability...of which Kulu has not shown and this has led to him being stifled recently.

But let's keep this constrained to the idea of intrinsic quality since that is what I was responding to.
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It is 1 v 1 all over the pitch, but not the speed and fast twitch 1 v 1. There are slow players that have quality - passing, vision, first touch, control, intelligence - that are not fast and quick and play on the wing. That’s my point. If you are a playmaker with quality (Eriksen comes to mind, DeBruyne) you don’t have to dribble everyone to death to be elite. That’s it.
 
prinmemo said:
It is 1 v 1 all over the pitch, but not the speed and fast twitch 1 v 1. There are slow players that have quality - passing, vision, first touch, control, intelligence - that are not fast and quick and play on the wing. That’s my point. If you are a playmaker with quality (Eriksen comes to mind, DeBruyne) you don’t have to dribble everyone to death to be elite. That’s it.
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Ok, your point has some merit but it's platitudinous in nature and you're generalizing it to a player for which there is little basis for it. All of it hingers on time, space, and how that is acquired. All that you name aids in the acquisition of it but pace and dribbling multiplies their effects.

Christian Eriksen could be shutdown and often was. It's not to his brilliance that he wasn't either, it was the shit tactics of other managers AND the fact we had a dominating CM2 that afforded him space and when that disappeared it left him half-a-player and significantly less effective. And he wasn't elite. He had some very effective years but there was no clamor for him when he left. Remember?

And you don't have to dribble everyone as pace affords similar threat and DeBruyne had loads and still has a bit. But when he isn't running he can drop the ball on a dime from anywhere on the field. He can receive in tight spaces and move it on quickly, dangerously, and repeatedly.

What exactly are Kulu's attributes that you've seen in the last couple months that make you place his name with these players? I'd suggest you re-watch the last two games to understand why and how he was shutdown. It wasn't hard and if folks hit the film it won't be hard going forward. He cannot create his own time and space. We've already seen him flopping because he's been so stymied. If his "passing, vision, first touch, control, intelligence" were good enough he would have been able to free himself from Cucurella and Henry. And unfortunately, our team cannot provide time and space for both he, HK, and all the others that can't generate it.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Yeah I can, we all have google. It's just a completely pointless thing to do which proves absolutely nothing and has nothing whatsoever to do with my original point. Why do I need to give you 5 random players similar to Diaz outside the top clubs to prove he would be good at Spurs? What's the angle here?
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It's about stating the obvious. In other what benefit is there in talking about Diaz? Zero.
 
Grown men calling Winks, Wanks as if they are still in the school playground.

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I suppose you'll also want to be taken seriously whenever you don't post something childish.
 
todd1882 said:
Ok, your point has some merit but it's platitudinous in nature and you're generalizing it to a player for which there is little basis for it. All of it hingers on time, space, and how that is acquired. All that you name aids in the acquisition of it but pace and dribbling multiplies their effects.

Christian Eriksen could be shutdown and often was. It's not to his brilliance that he wasn't either, it was the shit tactics of other managers AND the fact we had a dominating CM2 that afforded him space and when that disappeared it left him half-a-player and significantly less effective. And he wasn't elite. He had some very effective years but there was no clamor for him when he left. Remember?

And you don't have to dribble everyone as pace affords similar threat and DeBruyne had loads and still has a bit. But when he isn't running he can drop the ball on a dime from anywhere on the field. He can receive in tight spaces and move it on quickly, dangerously, and repeatedly.

What exactly are Kulu's attributes that you've seen in the last couple months that make you place his name with these players? I'd suggest you re-watch the last two games to understand why and how he was shutdown. It wasn't hard and if folks hit the film it won't be hard going forward. He cannot create his own time and space. We've already seen him flopping because he's been so stymied. If his "passing, vision, first touch, control, intelligence" were good enough he would have been able to free himself from Cucurella and Henry. And unfortunately, our team cannot provide time and space for both he, HK, and all the others that can't generate it.
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That doesn’t really explain how Eriksen is playing well now for Brentford, without the “dominating” CM2 or that he frequently plays well for Denmark with Hojbjerg behind him. Or indeed played well for us immediately pre (Mason/Benteleb eg) and immediately post great cm, and on those occasions (58% of games) when your boy Dembele wasn’t there. Eriksen had his most productive season largely without Dembele. And I don’t just mean goals/assists, I mean in terms of how much ball he was seeing.

The truth is, whilst Eriksen isn’t blessed with pace or dribble to make time space, he is blessed with an above average football brain and always uses it well to find himself pockets of time and and space - and would often use that time and space more intelligently than the less smart speedy dribblers.

As much as good midfields help keep him fed, he helps them look better by using his brain to continually offer them a viable option - which is why he often used to receive the ball as much as our CM’s. which was helpful because none of those CM’s, good as they were at other stuff, were particularly incisive passers,

I think using his last year as an example of his “total” reliance on others is unfair/wrong, the whole team was dysfunctional, our head coach had lost himself up his own arse and thought playing without a midfield completely was a good idea. Eriksen is not a long hump outlet. KDB would look less effective in Poch’s nonsensical last couple of years.
 
Any chance we could get modric back?

His performances in the CL have been to drawer. A player who isn't detrimented by age, just because he plays the game 5 years ahead of everyone else in his head.
 
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