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Transfers Summer 2022 Transfer Thread.

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Strength matters. If you lack strength and get pushed off the ball, you need to make up for it with extremely high qualities in other areas. Most players don’t have that.

Skinny also does not equal lacking in strength. Modric has a low center of gravity and is agile enough to get into positions where he can hold off the opposition.

It’s lazy to say every skinny player will get run over in the PL but it’s also lazy to say that it doesn’t matter.

Modric grew up in a warzone and is as hard as fucking nails. If he gets wiped out in a tackle, he'll just get back and get on with it. He knows that is much better than being shot at in wars.
 
Strength matters. If you lack strength and get pushed off the ball, you need to make up for it with extremely high qualities in other areas. Most players don’t have that.

Skinny also does not equal lacking in strength. Modric has a low center of gravity and is agile enough to get into positions where he can hold off the opposition.

It’s lazy to say every skinny player will get run over in the PL but it’s also lazy to say that it doesn’t matter.

There's a difference between having good balance and ability to take knocks and your build. The latter isn't important, as many have shown, the former is. Gil doesn't lack in terms of those attributes, he just struggled to be influential in the final third.

'x won't make it, needs to bulk up' is lazy. People do it based on looking at a players physique. Of course some players find it beneficial to put some weight on, others don't. I'm not saying being too weak has never been an issue, I'm saying it's a lazy cliche thrown around about any lighter player who struggles.
 
Slightly unrelated by Foden is so over rated.
That doesn't mean he's a bad player. It just means that the way people talk about him, and the fact he wins these accolades is OTT. He's a decent player, that's about it. Hearing idiot pundits saying "he does things I don't understand" makes me wish they didn't have pundits in football. I don't think he's any more influential than Connor Gallagher or Mason Mount but people don't talk the same way about those two.
I vividly recall the LC final against us (I think, OK maybe I only vaguely remember it...) he did a Cruyff turn somewhere around the halfway line under minimal pressure and Jesus H. Fucking Christ did the commentators lose their shit...

You'd think he'd just waltzed around all 11 of our players, and then the subs for good measure, before back heeling a thunderbolt from 30 yards, in off the crossbar/post junction, as opposed to a basic turn that any 12 year old could pull off.
 
Slightly unrelated by Foden is so over rated.
That doesn't mean he's a bad player. It just means that the way people talk about him, and the fact he wins these accolades is OTT. He's a decent player, that's about it. Hearing idiot pundits saying "he does things I don't understand" makes me wish they didn't have pundits in football. I don't think he's any more influential than Connor Gallagher or Mason Mount but people don't talk the same way about those two.

Mason Mount is also very good .. for his club, anyway.

But gotta disagree all round .. Foden's quality. He's technically brilliant but also has that burst of pace which excites people. He was marked by numerous CL teams as the player to rough up/try and stop, but was still the decisive man in a number of those games.

He's the best young player in the league, for me. He floats with the ball at his feet. He's still lacking slightly in terms of consistency/end product but the talent level is exceptional.
 
It’s not an absolute that every player has to be a brick house. But there’s a reason there’s not a modric at CM for every club… because it’s the exception and not the norm.

It's more likely because football culture is different here. There's a player of that build/type in most teams if you look at La Liga. We're in a league where most teams (especially the lower down the table you go) prioritise athleticism.

Even then, there's numerous examples. City have Silva & Foden who are both tiny, and they take the piss out of opposition midfields most weeks.
 
Mason Mount is also very good .. for his club, anyway.

But gotta disagree all round .. Foden's quality. He's technically brilliant but also has that burst of pace which excites people. He was marked by numerous CL teams as the player to rough up/try and stop, but was still the decisive man in a number of those games.

He's the best young player in the league, for me. He floats with the ball at his feet. He's still lacking slightly in terms of consistency/end product but the talent level is exceptional.

Haven't seen it, All I've seen is people praising basic stuff as if he invented it.
When you've seen the likes of Ronaldinho doing shit no one could do before or since, hearing people say lines like "he's doing things I don't even understand" is little more than attention seeking and wanting to be quoted. which is annoyingly exactly what I'm doing.
Personally, like for like, I'd take the Dele we signed as a teenager who was genuinely doing shit teenagers with no experience had no right to do.
For all we know, Foden could end up at Everton on a free in a few years too.
 
If we were just looking to potentially upgrade what we have to play a CM2, there are cm's I really like, like Sangare (PSV), Koné (BMG) but if it's to play a CM3 and we already have a bunch of 6's now, assuming we'd really want someone to be an more defined 8 type (ie more biased toward progression/attacking/creativity) then I guess people like Bellingham, Majer, Aouar, Thuram(K), Caqueret, Brandt, Wirtz, Lopez(Max), Tonali, Barella.

I get that some will question whether some of those are archetypal 8's. Some of those are playing as 6 or 6 hybrids so people might query their inclusion, but I think some like Caqueret, could also play the 8 remit well too, as he's got the technical ability and looks forwards always. Same Tonali (Rabiot), probably thought of more as a 6 type, but he's pretty good at progressing and supplementing the attack. Conversely there's people like Wirtz (or Brand), who are probably used more as AM'S, but in a robust CM3 with two strong 6 types, you could easily drop him into the CM3 as the link guy - same way Eriksen did at Inter (and for us).

Just a bunch of names off the top of my head that could do the job, and some could also do other jobs as well, making them potentially good value. Some more viable than others, some flawed but still maybe worth a punt at the right price.

Tomo Tomo

How about Zinchenko (ManC). Good 8, who can play LWB too?
 
It's more likely because football culture is different here. There's a player of that build/type in most teams if you look at La Liga. We're in a league where most teams (especially the lower down the table you go) prioritise athleticism.

Even then, there's numerous examples. City have Silva & Foden who are both tiny, and they take the piss out of opposition midfields most weeks.
I’d guess there are a number of things that play into this…

City have the most expensive tiny players so naturally they can win with it. If mid table sides are trying to use 20m tiny players instead of 50m, then it might get ugly. It’s only the top, top, players that are skilled enough to overcome lack of size.

EPL teams are clearly performing well lately compared to other European leagues (obviously money is a huge factor). Why haven’t mid table/relegation PL teams used lightweights in midfield if it would benefit them?

Refereeing is more lax in England compared to the rest of Europe. Yellows aren’t given out early unless it’s a borderline leg breaker and it takes about 2 yellows to get your first yellow. This difference in refereeing rewards physical play.
 
Haven't seen it, All I've seen is people praising basic stuff as if he invented it.
When you've seen the likes of Ronaldinho doing shit no one could do before or since, hearing people say lines like "he's doing things I don't even understand" is little more than attention seeking and wanting to be quoted. which is annoyingly exactly what I'm doing.
Personally, like for like, I'd take the Dele we signed as a teenager who was genuinely doing shit teenagers with no experience had no right to do.
For all we know, Foden could end up at Everton on a free in a few years too.

Foden is far, far better at the fundamentals of football than Dele ever was. Unless he has major injuries he will always play at a high level.

Dele had a moment of magic and was a good second striker but was always rough around the edges. Foden makes all the basics look like a piece of cake. It’s much easier to build on that.
 
I’d guess there are a number of things that play into this…

City have the most expensive tiny players so naturally they can win with it. If mid table sides are trying to use 20m tiny players instead of 50m, then it might get ugly. It’s only the top, top, players that are skilled enough to overcome lack of size.

EPL teams are clearly performing well lately compared to other European leagues (obviously money is a huge factor). Why haven’t mid table/relegation PL teams used lightweights in midfield if it would benefit them?

Refereeing is more lax in England compared to the rest of Europe. Yellows aren’t given out early unless it’s a borderline leg breaker and it takes about 2 yellows to get your first yellow. This difference in refereeing rewards physical play.

Some mid table teams have used lightweight players .. Moutinho for example, arrived past his prime and ran the show for Wolves for a while.

It’s easier & cheaper to find more athletic players, they’re more common. But a team like Spurs definitely shouldn’t ignore stand out talents because they’re of a slimmer build.
 
Is this more "Cheese Room" humour??
No. I’m riffing off his ITK spoofs. It’s a swipe at SC and their ilk. The last one was about chilli con carne.

stop fuck off GIF
 
I see your Phil Foden and raise you 1 Mo Salah and 1 Raheem Sterling.

This Mo Salah? if he wants, he can stand up to most players. Which is usually outside the box.


Stirling is a bit of a flake and can be marked out games at times by clever, larger defenders.
 
Slightly unrelated by Foden is so over rated.
That doesn't mean he's a bad player. It just means that the way people talk about him, and the fact he wins these accolades is OTT. He's a decent player, that's about it. Hearing idiot pundits saying "he does things I don't understand" makes me wish they didn't have pundits in football. I don't think he's any more influential than Connor Gallagher or Mason Mount but people don't talk the same way about those two.
Well seen as you went there. I think if Mount played in that City team he'd have better numbers than Foden and city would have more cutting edge. Not say Foden isn't talented but he is no way at the level he's made our to be by pundits. And Sterling is no way physically comparable to Viera and Gill he is small but strong packed full of fast twitch fiber. He'd bitch slap both at the same time.
 
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