Thing is, we don't seem to be able to get Bastoni or Gvardiol and we would end up paying 50 million for Badashile or Hincapie (off one season like we did with Sanchez). If we were going to get stuck with Lenglet on August 25th, better to get him in now and get him ready for all those games in the autumn.
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Transfers Summer 2022 Transfer Thread.
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Not forgetting we should get 10m for Dele by Xmas . Needs about 9 games to get to 20.
Also it is thought that Ajax have knocked a bit off our debt for Sanchez. We currently owe 7.5m and they may have taken 2.5m off that.
We’ve had him 4 years and still haven’t paid for him.
Goes to show this net spend stuff really means nothing as these things are paid over a number of years.
Sometimes the add ons get paid , and sometimes not, if they are not reached or the player is transferred.
And that nobody knows the true value of a transfer.
"Spurs sign player X for £30m from team Y"
"Team Y sells player X for £25m"
£5m for agent fees, signing bonus etc.
Sadly its more likely we need to subsidise Ndomble's wages for next 2-3 years to get him to move on - suggest you value him at minus 15m.
Pretty much getting our money back on what we paid for him.
Shame as when he arrived I thought he had all the raw ingredients to be a good goal soring forward for us. Maybe it was Mourhino playing him as a defensive right winger that affected him but he rarely played anything like the same as he was at PSV after that.
I think he will look good at Ajax, so good for him to move on and us to reinvest the money, hopefully more productively.
Yeah exactly. But the thing with Bastoni and Gvardiol is they could very well be not available next summer too, or other clubs could be in for them as well.
Basically how I see it. We clearly will go big again next summer for a LCB but instead of wasting time might as well get a good option now so he can practice with the team.
Also gives us another year to see how our top options play and see if they are one season wonders or not. Makes sense so we don’t waste money.
Another point to be made is that Chelsea lost 2 CB's and a total of 4 defenders this summer - so need replacements.
Lots of CB's were expected to move on this summer including Bastoni, Bremer, Torres, Skriniar et al ..... but none have. We might pick up a 2nd CB still in the remainder of the window IF one becomes available, but any top CB's becoming available will be a fight with Chelsea, so absolutely sensible to identify the best CB available now and a loan is a sensible option as it means we can have another go next summer when, for example, Bastoni has only one year left on his contract
An option to buy would be icing in the cake, but with his 200k pw wages he's very difficult to value without a commitment from the player to reduce his wages as he's probably worthless with those wages however well he performs.
And if our plan is likely to buy a ready made top CB such as Bastoni next summer its 'nice to have' but likely of no great benefit to have an option to buy.
As neither of those are available this summer either, we are no worse off, and signing Lenglet gives us LCB cover for Davies with a possibility that he will prove to be better than Davies
Hes spent that long there according to ITKs, that he should be paying fucking rent by now
This is after the 96 hour flight from Spain to London. Must have refuelled the plane 32 times in midair.
De Ligt, Martinez, Botman and Ake: Is this the transfer window of the centre-back?
As Chiellini said last week, 'Attackers sell tickets, but defenders win the league.' In Europe, the dominoes are beginning to fall...theathletic.com
On the one hand, the swirl of centre-back interest can be explained by a simple market dynamic of Club A needing to replace a player going to Club B. It’s merely circumstantial. On the other, the swell of players in the position moving this window is, to an extent, a consequence of a tactical trend. More and more elite clubs are playing with a back three. Chelsea won the Champions League with one in 2021. Eintracht Frankfurt and Roma became Europa League and Conference League champions deploying the same set-up in 2022. Bayern and Dortmund were often seen in the same three-man outfit last season and at his introductory press conference, Christophe Galtier, the new coach of PSG, said: “We’re thinking about playing a back three.”
It’s why the French champions have been in prolonged talks with Inter Milan about the acquisition of Milan Skriniar. The Slovakia captain has operated in a back three since moving to San Siro five years ago, first as a stop-gap on the left and then moving to the right once Alessandro Bastoni returned from his Serie A internship with Parma. The anticipated Skriniar-sized hole in Inter’s defence will have to be plugged with Fiorentina’s towering Serb Nikola Milenkovic, while the league’s defender of the year Gleison Bremer is expected to succeed the ageing Stefan de Vrij and swap Torino’s back three for a new one.
The defence Antonio Conte turned into Italy’s best is changing in personnel just as he is equipping Tottenham’s to align more closely with his own philosophy. After replacing Nuno Espirito Santo last November, Conte settled on a makeshift configuration with Ben Davies, Eric Dier and last summer’s big signing Cristian Romero. The season-long loan in the works with Barcelona for Clement Lenglet isn’t the sexiest option, but it is functional and that’s all that matters to Conte, who wants his wide centre-backs to step into midfield and participate in attacks.
By utilising a back three rather than an orthodox centre-back partnership, teams need more cover and need five defenders for those positions rather than four. Manchester United, for instance, have six and weren’t expected to be in the market for a centre-back this summer, especially after the signing of Raphael Varane last season. But here they are again rivalling Woolwich for Lisandro Martinez, the diminutive midfielder-turned-centre-back, as Erik ten Hag assembles a team with recruits schooled in the Ajax way. As with Lenglet at Tottenham, Martinez would redress the balance at United where the two-footed Varane is the only leftie at centre-back.
The demand for these players, as my former colleague Tom Worville analysed, is especially high, particularly with playing out from the back and build-up becoming ever more important to this generation of coaches. It’s a factor in the interest both Manchester clubs and Tottenham have shown in Villarreal’s Pau Torres and was incidental in the valuation of Sven Botman, who finally moved to Newcastle at the end of last month for €37 million plus add-ons. The consideration Chelsea are giving to bringing Nathan Ake back for another spell at the club owes something to Malang Sarr being the only leftie Tuchel can call on at centre-back.
Whether a new record fee will be set for a player in this position over the summer remains to be seen. United set a high bar by paying Leicester €87 million for a 26-year-old Harry Maguire, a price influenced by interest from City and what Liverpool had invested in Virgil van Dijk 18 months earlier.
Some believe the valuations reflect scarcity and the dwindling pool of top centre-backs. Premier League clubs can, for the most part, afford to overpay and make mistakes because the league’s model allows it. Rolling on the existing domestic TV deal and signing bigger and better international rights deals mean it is by far the wealthiest league in the world. It’s why Bayern signing Hernandez and Juventus paying what they did for De Ligt constitute outliers unless, that is, both clubs were counting on the stock in centre-backs continuing to rise with a view to then selling to PSG or an English club for a profit later down the road.
Other sporting directors look at it in terms of opportunity cost and won’t risk paying more than €30 million or €40 million for a centre-back for the simple reason the difference in player quality is marginal and if the big money centre-back gets injured or flops, the club loses a lot of money that it won’t make back.
It’s a fascinating sector of the market, particularly when you look at the hinges on which Premier League title races have swung in recent years. In 2019-20, you could argue it was Aymeric Laporte’s injury. In 2020-21, you could argue it was Van Dijk’s. Anecdotal it may be, but Chiellini couldn’t help himself at his unveiling with LAFC last week. “Attackers sell tickets,” he said. “But defenders win the league.”
I read that Athletic article earlier. A really good one that explaining our centre back search this summer to a tee.
We'll be trying to move Reguilon on probably, and loaning out Parrott/Scarlett hopefully.
It'll depend on whether or not Conte wants to use Lo Celso or Gil as a 6th option in attack. Liverpool used seven forwards over all competitions last season, same with City (you wouldn't guess it, but Cole Palmer made 13 first team appearances). Chelsea also used 7.. I really don't know why we should be settling for five and running our players into the ground during a world cup year.
At 33, if he's our first choice LWB, I don't think the idea of Persic playing extra mins in the front three is a great one. Personally think we definitely need a 6th forward, whether that's Gil, Lo Celso or a new signing.
But what if they only wanted an obligation and that obligation was miles above what we value him at? What if they refused just an option because they wanted some certainty?
I suspect we did the deal because Conte wanted him in and wanted him in ASAP and we possibly didn't have to pay his whole wages because was took the straight loan in turn for a saving on wages?
I am sure it was far from straight forward but if the manager wants the player and there are no further options on his list then what can Paratici do, he has to do the deal.
Imagine the smile on Daniel's face when he takes his wheelbarrow full of cash back to the bank to re-deposit it
Nooooo, it will all go on those agent fees for those mega profile players we've signed.
under siege playing for barca and under siege playing in this conte side are completely different though. davies and dier even look ok in this system, the reason we need to upgrade them is because they are not good enough on the ball, lenglet is a lot better in that regard, so surely hes going to be a big improvement on them as hes protected in terms of actual defending and being isolated. give it a couple months and well see what happens, but im quite confident this will be a good move for us and lenglet...lets hope so anyway lol
