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Joan Thomas said:
I think Conte wanted us to finally start challenging for and winning silverware.
He soon realised the board didn't share his ambition.

'Club' signings like Spence are for a future that never seems to arrive
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Shame he couldn't actually coach anyone. You generally need to do that to win things rather than sign past it players who have not played in the premier league.
 
dudu said:
Im sure there are, and I'm sure they have a lot of great insight into Spurs.

I may be new to this forum but not to Spurs ones and certainly not to the internet. my experience has been that the bulk of threads and conversations the last few years. are filled with the same kind of comments over and over and over again. Match threads, players threads, transfer threads... Some are interesting and lend to insightful conversations, most are unfunny, repetitive, boring attempts at getting a couple of agrees or likes by commenting in various different, but largely the same ways that Levy is tight, Levy is bald, levy is short, dier is shit. It's boring and I have no problem in calling it out when I see it.

Perhaps people are calling it out because it's annoying.
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If you had the stomach to read through the posts, you'd see a clear pattern to how the dialogue goes in here. There's quite a few level headed posters on here who converse quite amicably about everything from the Football to just about anything that the thread diverts to. There's disagreement, but mostly good natured.

Then you'll get certain posters who barrel in with the same tired old negative tosh. They get told to pipe down because the same drivel was heard from them the day before, and the day before that, and the day before that and infinitum.

They then go on the attack with the "Levybot" and other hilarious rubbish, get a reaction, then accuse those tired of their repetitive rants of being "Levy lovers."

Not a one of them, barring one or two, can have any kind of discourse without bringing their hatred of Levy into it.

The irony is that there are posters on here who have professed their own dislike of the Chairman, but don't bang on about it incessantly, but get called "Levy lovers" themselves for telling the hate peddlers to shut up. They might share the same dislike of him, but they're also sick to the back teeth of hearing it constantly.

Trying to force your opinion into every thread is apparently freedom of speech. Telling someone to clam up, about something they've repeated incessantly for years, apparently makes you forum Gestapo.

Like you, I've been on many forums over the years, and you get them everywhere.

This place has just distilled them.
 
Ionman34 said:
If you had the stomach to read through the posts, you'd see a clear pattern to how the dialogue goes in here. There's quite a few level headed posters on here who converse quite amicably about everything from the Football to just about anything that the thread diverts to. There's disagreement, but mostly good natured.

Then you'll get certain posters who barrel in with the same tired old negative tosh. They get told to pipe down because the same drivel was heard from them the day before, and the day before that, and the day before that and infinitum.

They then go on the attack with the "Levybot" and other hilarious rubbish, get a reaction, then accuse those tired of their repetitive rants of being "Levy lovers."

Not a one of them, barring one or two, can have any kind of discourse without bringing their hatred of Levy into it.

The irony is that there are posters on here who have professed their own dislike of the Chairman, but don't bang on about it incessantly, but get called "Levy lovers" themselves for telling the hate peddlers to shut up. They might share the same dislike of him, but they're also sick to the back teeth of hearing it constantly.

Trying to force your opinion into every thread is apparently freedom of speech. Telling someone to clam up, about something they've repeated incessantly for years, apparently makes you forum Gestapo.

Like you, I've been on many forums over the years, and you get them everywhere.

This place has just distilled them.
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Totally one sided version of events
 
Ionman34 said:
If you had the stomach to read through the posts, you'd see a clear pattern to how the dialogue goes in here. There's quite a few level headed posters on here who converse quite amicably about everything from the Football to just about anything that the thread diverts to. There's disagreement, but mostly good natured.

Then you'll get certain posters who barrel in with the same tired old negative tosh. They get told to pipe down because the same drivel was heard from them the day before, and the day before that, and the day before that and infinitum.

They then go on the attack with the "Levybot" and other hilarious rubbish, get a reaction, then accuse those tired of their repetitive rants of being "Levy lovers."

Not a one of them, barring one or two, can have any kind of discourse without bringing their hatred of Levy into it.

The irony is that there are posters on here who have professed their own dislike of the Chairman, but don't bang on about it incessantly, but get called "Levy lovers" themselves for telling the hate peddlers to shut up. They might share the same dislike of him, but they're also sick to the back teeth of hearing it constantly.

Trying to force your opinion into every thread is apparently freedom of speech. Telling someone to clam up, about something they've repeated incessantly for years, apparently makes you forum Gestapo.

Like you, I've been on many forums over the years, and you get them everywhere.

This place has just distilled them.
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I am definitely guilty myself of clogging up threads engaging in stuff that I probably shouldn't be, more than happy to admit my own hypocrisy there too!

I'll get back to focusing on the footie and hopefully some positivity on the pitch will give everyone something new and interesting to talk about
 
LeParisien said:
From the beginning there were people politicising Conte’s appointment.

“Now we’ve hired a winner - there’s nowhere left to hide”

“What I like most about Conte is he tells it how it is - he won’t take any shit from Levy”.

Anything other than success was framed as a way to hold Levy accountable.

The problem with that of course is that it’s not as easy as hiring a successful manager and then success comes as some kind of natural consequence. There are more successful managers than trophies available.

The evidence (rather than narrative) tells us that Conte did not manage to coach the side effectively and that we never looked like a side where the talents available were being used well. To illustrate that, here are the teams Conte was knocked out by:

Chelsea
Middlesbrough
Nottingham Forest
Sheffield united
AC Milan

I’d say a top coach bringing some fairy dust should have been able to win 4 of those games. I’d expect even Nuno to have won 3 of those games.

The fact is Conte did a poor job. Conte wasn’t the only reason - Levy must also take responsibility… but the quality of the coaching was poor and has been since Poch left.

Fortunately the early signs seem to be very good under Ange. We won’t need to rely on fairy dust because we’ll be able to see the results of the coaching on the pitch.
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Two things can definitely be true, even more!

Conte could have been delivered better defenders and other players he wanted.

But Conte also could have done a better job with the players he had.

Whatever he was doing or not doing that we looked so poor in so many first halves last season was on him and his inability to manage us effectively.
 
Matt1882 said:
It's incredible how far people are willing to go to discredit Conte now.
He was given a shit squad and got it into Top 4. He was given "some" additions and broke the record for our points in the first 10 games. We were a poor penalty decision away from a comfortable 3rd place when he had a meltdown.

It was poor management from the top of the club to not see that coming. We could all see it. It wasn't at all unjustified.

Had he had the squad that finished 3rd and 2nd under Poch, he'd have won at least 1 of those titles.
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So you like his shite brand of football? And it seems like you rate over Pochettino? Both those are your opinions and not facts. I disagree on both counts.

Add the fact that a professional coach doesn’t throw his toys out of the pram. Whether correct in what he was saying is irrelevant because it should have been kept behind closed doors.

Conte is gone. Thanks fuck.
 
Stov said:
Shame he couldn't actually coach anyone. You generally need to do that to win things rather than sign past it players who have not played in the premier league.
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Ha.ha:roflmao:. You'd have a point if he didn't win things everywhere else he's managed :roflmao:

Are you gonna apply the same logic to Jose Mourinho failing here too!

Two managers win close on 40 trophies between them. Then both fail to win a pot to piss in between them working for L**y

Do you honestly not see the connection :mourweird:
 
Carl Johnson said:
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To be fair I feel that, if given the chance, I could make a big impact on Jenna Ortega.

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LeParisien said:
Most of that post was about conte. The only bit that wasn’t that light apply to conte is that the early signs were good.

The club has not really earned the fans’ trust so I get it (incidentally, I blame Levy for that). However there are a LOT of differences.

It was apparent that Mourinho had lost his magic. From the first few weeks it was clear nothing interesting was being worked on in training. This remained true several months in. People said “give him a preseason” and then it remained true the following season.

For Conte on day 1 there were reports about his patterns of play. He coaches by drilling players into patterns. Quotes of his saying when he playing midfield he didn’t like not knowing where to pass so he tried to make it clear to players exactly where the ball should go. There are pretty early signs that Conteball (remember that?) was having an effect. I’ll admit I got stars in my eyes and I hoped it would work, especially after a full preseason. The football in the entirety of his second season was a disappointment with NO signs of coaching going.

With Ange, everywhere he has been he has been uncompromising in his willingness to teach and learn and to play football with positional play and attacking principles. The team will grow and play more attractive football - I think we can be fairly certain of that.

We will see positive, front foot football AND evidence of work on the training field translating to games. We haven’t seen that at spurs since 2017/18.

What we can’t be certain about is whether that will translate into results.

Part of that is out of our control. Previous managers didn’t have to compete with 6 other teams at the top. The first time Conte did, he finished far below.

Some of it is in our control and we’ll have to see how the team responds to difficult moments. But there will be a sense of building something which is so important for motivation and so I think he will get the patience he deserves and unlike Conte, there’s a good chance he’s here in 2 years.
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If Ange is better than Jose/Conte, will our speculative chancers back him and maximise their FFP spending potential? We could throw down 500M next week (less than 10% of their gains in value) and not breach any regs.
 
dudu said:
Two things can definitely be true, even more!

Conte could have been delivered better defenders and other players he wanted.

But Conte also could have done a better job with the players he had.

Whatever he was doing or not doing that we looked so poor in so many first halves last season was on him and his inability to manage us effectively.
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And he had us playing well for 3 months, with fewer players
 
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