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Ok, I'll try another different way that people might understand

Let's call it gardening leave.
Common practice for employers when they have a departing employee with a long notice period.
We have players who we don't want near our club for various reasons, but we're contracted to legally pay them. Put them on gardening leave so that a) they don't annoy the employees we want and b) they don't go work for a rival any sooner than we want.

The cost to THFC is the same. The benefit of not "tearing up their contracts" is huge.
It may even prompt the player to leave of their own free will.
I understand and acknowledge your point.

And hopefully these two will see the light and accept some loan move at least over the coming week.

But at the end of the day, I think fretting over sunk cost money and the possibility of them signing for other PL teams does not befit the situation.

They're not fit for purpose, we should be done with them. This needs to be the kind of club that is decisive in that way and committed to its squad as a competitive sporting operation and not a book of assets.
 
I do think they would spread the goals less if they had a more gifted forward. I don't dispute that spreading them around is a good thing.
What would be an interesting stat is league position vs top goal scorer. IE, do teams that usually finish higher up usually have a standout top scorer / golden boot winner.
City have had Aguerro and now Haaland. Liverpool have had Salah. We've had Kane. Chelsea have had Drogba and Costa.
Be interesting with Arse this season if they can continue to spread the goals and get the results.
2015–16 Harry Kane didnt win prem
2016–17 Harry Kane didnt win prem
2017–18 Mohamed Salah didnt win prem
2018–19† Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang didnt win prem
Sadio Mané didnt win prem
Mohamed Salah. didnt win prem
2019–20 Jamie Vardy didnt win prem
2020–21 Harry Kane didnt win prem
2021–22† Mohamed Salah. didnt win prem
Son Heung-min didnt win prem
2022–23 Haaland - Won prem


Edit - those are the golden boot winners.

City only had one in the last 8 years yet won the league more than anyone.

Agree it will be interesting to see if Woolwich can maintain the goal spread around the players ad if we can get 3+ players scoring 10+ goals.
 


Really? I saw the obligatory youtube vids and he doesnt look anything special, decent pace yes, few too many flicks and tricks, you can find videos like that 2 a penny on youtube.

Also i have to query your point on Data, really nothing to write home about especially with the High fee
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Lastly he is 26 years old will turn 27 within 6 months and really hasnt done anything of note and as pointed out for the fee quoted doesnt make sense.
 
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Barnes really would have been a really good shout.

For the Richarlison defenders:
Barnes scored as many goals playing on an even worse team than Everton as an out and out winger, was considerably cheaper and is home-grown. I’d trade him for Brazil’s number nine in a heartbeat.
Barnes can't play CF though.

There was a context-specific logic to the Richarlison deal in July 2022 that has been blown all to hell now, but you gotta understand it in those terms.
 
Barnes really would have been a really good shout.

For the Richarlison defenders:
Barnes scored as many goals playing on an even worse team than Everton as an out and out winger, was considerably cheaper and is home-grown. I’d trade him for Brazil’s number nine in a heartbeat.

Tbh I wasn't really excited by Barnes because he is almost exactly the same player as Son but less creative. Younger but ceiling not ever going to reach peak Son.

maybe we don't see peak Sonny again but just didn't see the logic. Also 27 so no resale value.

This Pepe guy could be good as a cheaper utility player if Perisic wants to go. Not convinced he'd actually produce more than Perisic this season tho.
 
Really? I saw the obligatory youtube vids and he doesnt look anything special, decent pace few too many flicks and tricks, you can find videos like that 2 a penny on youtube.

Also i have to query your point on Data, really nothing to write home about especially with the High fee
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Lastly he 26 years old will turn 27 within 6 months and really hasnt done anything of note and as pointed out for the fee quoted doesnt make sense.

Was slightly tongue in cheek that post tbh. Especially about Youtube.

His Fbref data does look handy but he clearly a utility player who can operate either wing. Younger, faster Perisic but less output.

If he's cheap then fair play if it's for the same fees as Johnson I have no idea what the plan is.
 
The point is they shouldn't be hindering us making new signings.

Banish them to the U21/rip up the contracts whatever but using them as an excuse for inactivity doesn't wash.
Now this I can get on board with. The longer they hang around stinking the club out, the worse it is for morale.
I accept that ripping up a contract is an expensive outlay, but it’s a fickle business where gains and losses are part of the game.
We’ve just trousered £100 million for a player that cost us nothing.
We missed out on selling Dele in his pomp and ended up with a husk of a player due to his personal issues overcoming him.
We paid £60 million? for Ndombele who is a looking total waste of money.
A bloated squad is down to mismanagement of that squad. And it should never be waved as an excuse for not buying new players.
 
2015–16 Harry Kane didnt win prem 3rd
2016–17 Harry Kane didnt win prem 2nd
2017–18 Mohamed Salah didnt win prem 4th
2018–19† Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang didnt win prem 5th
Sadio Mané 2nd didnt win prem
Mohamed Salah. 2nd didnt win prem
2019–20 Jamie Vardy didnt win prem 5th
2020–21 Harry Kane didnt win prem 7th
2021–22† Mohamed Salah. didnt win prem 2nd
Son Heung-min didnt win prem 4th
2022–23 Haaland - Won prem

I didn't say win the league, I said at the upper end. All this really does is prove my point tbh. There's only really one outlier there.
 
I understand and acknowledge your point.

And hopefully these two will see the light and accept some loan move at least over the coming week.

But at the end of the day, I think fretting over sunk cost money and the possibility of them signing for other PL teams does not befit the situation.

They're not fit for purpose, we should be done with them. This needs to be the kind of club that is decisive in that way and committed to its squad as a competitive sporting operation and not a book of assets.
I would add to this that woolwich ditched Ozil and Aubamayang without too much detriment to them. In fact, they’ve gone from strength to strength. Both were on big contracts but happy enough to be paid off and shipped out.
 
For the thousandth time, no you don't.

You just tell them they won't make the 25 man squad. It's no more expensive to us doing that and there's no risk we give them a whole years wages only for them to sign a contract the next day with a rival and earn double money.
If they still won't leave that's fine. But they're only hurting their own career. it makes NO difference whatsoever to us. Make them train away from the first team too so they don't get any benefit from staying.
100% you put them on gardening leave. or have them train with the kids etc. a year of no match football will damage their career so if they actually value playing football they will want off. its the only card the club has in situations like dier.
 
Why would they?

In reality we think that all footballers want to play every match and think about football all the time but they also have life plans, for example we don't know if Dier has a plan to sit on his contract for a year and then plans to move abroad or elsewhere and have a fresh start next Summer. We don't know if it's family related or self motivation, could be for any reason, so with that in mind you stay at a club which have great training facilities, based in London on a hefty wage, you can see why they'd stick around.

You can't just create a culture of ripping up contracts just because the club don't see you as an asset anymore, do you know how bad that looks on your balance sheet, even State backed clubs don't do that.
Woolwich have done it successfully with Ozil and PEA. They were ruthless and have bounced back better without them.
And the players were happy enough to be bought out of their contracts to move on.
 
Anyway, either version of this is fine by me so long as they aren't integrated back into the squad.

That's unacceptable. That would be egregious failure to back Ange. Player purchases don't always tell the whole tale in that regard.
 
I didn't say win the league, I said at the upper end. All this really does is prove my point tbh. There's only really one outlier there.

Its pretty clear to me that if you have a player that is scoring 20+ goals a season, you're likely to do well.

I think the biggest stat to consider is goals scored in general.

Teams that score lots of goals win more matches and finish higher up the table.

The risk you run RELYING on one player to do that is if they don't perform to the expected standards you are likely to finish lower down the table.
 
Woolwich have done it successfully with Ozil and PEA. They were ruthless and have bounced back better without them.
And the players were happy enough to be bought out of their contracts to move on.

That's a false equivalence, there was a neccesity for both players as had misdemeanors with Woolwich, Ozil's contract was ended due to politics and him speaking out against China, Aubameyang because of constant discipline issues with Arteta.

Now tell me why we need to do the same with Dier or any of our players?
 
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