Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

[GOAT]

Why? If you don't want to post on here or read any more comments, well, you can always put it on Ignore.




4/10

Shit window, leaves us with a slightly stronger squad but barely improved the first XI. Spent a fair bit but when you're behind the leaders, that's what you need to do in order to catch up.

That's is our goal,right? To compete at the top of the table and challenge for the league?

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Every time you or someone else posts a nonsense rating like that, I’m going to counter it with an equally nonsensical rating.

10/10 window. ENIC in forever. Fabulous stuff. Glory glory days.

 

[Col_McCafferty]

Every time you or someone else posts a nonsense rating like that, I’m going to counter it with an equally nonsensical rating.

10/10 window. ENIC in forever. Fabulous stuff. Glory glory days.

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Great.

 

[scott]

I think you're conflating a general acceptance that the ownership status of the club isn't something 99.9% of fans have any modicum of control over, and that they'd rather find the positives in what their club is trying to achieve than constantly allow something which is supposed to be a happy escape from everyday life turn into something that poisons your mind with constant bitterness and worry. What would be an appropriate show of faith in our talismanic legendary striker, burning all the Spurs memorabilia and buying a one way ticket to Munich? He didn't want to be here, we didn't have a choice to sell him, it's that simple. Levy told City to fuck off precisely one season earlier, you don't think he wanted Kane to stay? You're crazy if so, he brought in two win-now managers in a last-ditch effort to win Kane around, however short-sighted that was given our very glaring lack of blockbuster investment required for either of those managers to build a winning team, he clearly did it because he wanted to keep Kane at the club. How much of the discourse around Conte's second season at the beginning revolved around hoping we did well enough to convince both Conte and Kane to sign extensions?

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Couldn’t disagree more with any of that. You also won’t address the other points I made which I think we know why.
Defending levy lots & calling our legend a snake whilst praising levy isn’t just “general acceptance that the ownership status of the club isn't something 99.9% of fans have any modicum of control over”. Wow,, you really can’t say any criticism of levy suppprters can you. What a warped illogical spin you put on that!
How is giving me nasty personal abuse because I criticise levy just someone looking for positives.
The levy fans aren’t positive people at all. Constantly moaning about people for criticising the owners whilst having no issues with people moaning about about 1000 other issues. As long as it’s not levy & enic.
They also think we can’t accept to do any better than a carling cup every 25 years . They moan & repeat themselves as much as Any one else. I think you are in denial about enic & levy & his supporters. What about calling Jose a toxic dinosaur but when levy appoints him suddenly they call him a serial winner? No comment!
Going on forums or social media isn’t the best way to find positive stuff. Next you will tell me you go on twitter to find the positives in life.

well I worry if you think our world players don’t leave because enic & levy are awful at winning stuff. Happened for a long time now. You lot lap it up. Supporting owners who win a carling cup every 25 years = world class players having to go elsewhere to win silverware. It’s very simple.
Enic & levy aren’t dumb. If you think they did anll they can over kanes time here to keep him then it shows how biased you are. They might try harder when realising kanes had enough for example, but it’s too little too late. If he stayed nothing suggested we win a trophy. Don’t think we made it to February in the cups.
Look at the state of the club his last few years here & since he has left. Why would you stay at enic & levy’s Tottenham if you are world class. We never truly supported him & built a very good team around him for his duration. We were a mess going downwards. Should have stayed for the Celtic manager I guess. If you think levy & enic is s club a world class player should want to play for then it shows how deluded you are about them.

Anyway I can see you spin everything & won’t hear a bad word against levy & his fans.
You carry on telling the world how we are lucky to be miles behind Woolwich & a trophy is miles off. We can’t except to go for titles like Woolwich. I Know your kind of positive. Whilst pretending you are just lovely positive people& whilst blocking out personal abuse & then moaning about any one who doesn’t like the owners. Whilst excusing all the moaning posts about the manager, players, Tactics, team selection. Referring, other teams etc. which you too have no control of but that’s ok now! You have no control over what others post but yet here you are thinking you do! We have no control over most things we post about or give views on, Even in the off topic thread.
If strangers online upset you are stop your positivity then I think forums & social media aren’t for you. But to be honest I don’t get any sense that the levy fans are positive at all. You can keep saying it all you want but doesn’t feel like it to many of us.
You can reply but we are wasting each others time as you aren’t changing my mind & I ain’t changing yours So I won’t be reading your reply.. Agree to disagree!

Ps. Notice how levy fans aren’t bored of levy discussion when you post defending him.

A simple question. Levy or Kane. You can only pick one to still be here. No brainer for me … Kane. Yet many won’t pick Kane over levy. Can you answer Kane? Or will you refuse to pick one & make a 100 excuses why you can’t not pick a world class legend over a chairman who’s awful at winning stuff . Tells you all you need to know that it’s a not a simple decision for you. I’ll never know your answer but I think I can guess at it

 

[GOAT]

Couldn’t disagree more with any of that. You also won’t address the other points I made which I think we know why.
Defending levy lots & calling our legend a snake whilst praising levy isn’t just “general acceptance that the ownership status of the club isn't something 99.9% of fans have any modicum of control over”. Wow,, you really can’t say any criticism of levy suppprters can you. What a warped illogical spin you put on that!
How is giving me nasty personal abuse because I criticise levy just someone looking for positives.
The levy fans aren’t positive people at all. Constantly moaning about people for criticising the owners whilst having no issues with people moaning about about 1000 other issues. As long as it’s not levy & enic.
They also think we can’t accept to do any better than a carling cup every 25 years . They moan & repeat themselves as much as Any one else. I think you are in denial about enic & levy & his supporters. What about calling Jose a toxic dinosaur but when levy appoints him suddenly they call him a serial winner? No comment!
Going on forums or social media isn’t the best way to find positive stuff. Next you will tell me you go on twitter to find the positives in life.

well I worry if you think our world players don’t leave because enic & levy are awful at winning stuff. Happened for a long time now. You lot lap it up. Supporting owners who win a carling cup every 25 years = world class players having to go elsewhere to win silverware. It’s very simple.
Enic & levy aren’t dumb. If you think they did anll they can over kanes time here to keep him then it shows how biased you are. They might try harder when realising kanes had enough for example, but it’s too little too late. If he stayed nothing suggested we win a trophy. Don’t think we made it to February in the cups.
Look at the state of the club his last few years here & since he has left. Why would you stay at enic & levy’s Tottenham if you are world class. We never truly supported him & built a very good team around him for his duration. We were a mess going downwards. Should have stayed for the Celtic manager I guess. If you think levy & enic is s club a world class player should want to play for then it shows how deluded you are about them.

Anyway I can see you spin everything & won’t hear a bad word against levy & his fans.
You carry on telling the world how we are lucky to be miles behind Woolwich & a trophy is miles off. We can’t except to go for titles like Woolwich. I Know your kind of positive. Whilst pretending you are just lovely positive people& whilst blocking out personal abuse & then moaning about any one who doesn’t like the owners. Whilst excusing all the moaning posts about the manager, players, Tactics, team selection. Referring, other teams etc. which you too have no control of but that’s ok now! You have no control over what others post but yet here you are thinking you do! We have no control over most things we post about or give views on, Even in the off topic thread.
If strangers online upset you are stop your positivity then I think forums & social media aren’t for you. But to be honest I don’t get any sense that the levy fans are positive at all. You can keep saying it all you want but doesn’t feel like it to many of us.
You can reply but we are wasting each others time as you aren’t changing my mind & I ain’t changing yours So I won’t be reading your reply.. Agree to disagree!

Ps. Notice how levy fans aren’t bored of levy discussion when you post defending him.

A simple question. Levy or Kane. You can only pick one to still be here. No brainer for me … Kane. Yet many won’t pick Kane over levy. Can you answer Kane? Or will you refuse to pick one & make a 100 excuses why you can’t not pick a world class legend over a chairman who’s awful at winning stuff . Tells you all you need to know that it’s a not a simple decision for you. I’ll never know your answer but I think I can guess at it

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[False 9]

Probably one of the worst transfer windows at Spurs that I can remember. Timo Werner coming back for another season set the tone, was always going to be a massive disappointment once he signed. Since then we got more youth and only one first team player.

In the last 18 months we've sold Kane and swapped with England's 5th choice striker. Knocked circa 49 million off the wage bill and signed three 18 year old kids. Concerts, NFL, hotels, karting. As a football club these things have changed nothing, we're as far off competing as ever.

 

[Micky Bubbles]

Sadly some posters have never bothered to hear what they are being told by Ange or the club. Ange was pretty explicit in one of his first interviews, and he's repeated similar since then, 'it will take probably 3 or 5 windows to get the squad to what I want.

And same posters read 'we will be competitive' to mean 'we aim to finish by winning PL and every cup competition we enter'. And of course that must happen 'immediately' (stomp foot )

So those same posters set expectations to judge the club which are completely out of their heads without any basis (other than their own inadequacies) and clearly nonsense. And when those 'expectations' are not met, they explode with anger.

And then of course there are a few who hate either Spurs or Spurs owners (and with a few its hard to tell which it is) and deliberately wind others up.

The fact is, the number of top players who we might have wanted this season who fit Ange criteria was lower than usual (all reports say this window had say a third less players moving) and at the high end of players there are never that many usually anyway. Fact is the players we want are usually quite successful at other clubs and other clubs are not keen to sell.

So looking at the window with realism :
1 We kept all the players we wanted (Romero, Van de Venn, et al)
2 We added PL's 4th highest goal scorer from last season as a striker (Solanke) so we have 2 strikers - very few other top PL clubs have 2 strikers)
3 We added a PL proven RW/LW tricky winger (something we have wanted for a couple of years).
4 We added 2 excellent younger players in Gray (DM/CB/RB) and Bergvall (creative mid), both of whom looked excellent in pre-season and both have played about one season in former club's leagues, so more experienced than some give credit for.
5 We have set up 2 deals for other players to join - another winger (Yang) and an option for a DM to give us an upside on Lo Celso sale
6 Rehabilitated Spence as RB/LB - unexpected but actually an excellent result for us.
7 Offloaded all the players not required by Ange, other than Reguilon who may still go
8 Set up a number of loans (circa 10) for younger players to gain experience who may become part of the squad either next summer or summer after plus loans for players to increase their sales value (eg Gill)

So, providing expectations are realistic (and not 'we are going to win the league'), its been a very solid window 6/10 or 7/10. We have a way better squad than this time last year (Dragusin plus Werner on loan as a squad player) plus this window. And better than we finished last season.

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I saw the below quote somewhere else, feels pretty apt here

though,we as football fans can have short memories. It might not seem like it, but it was only last year that we had Conte and a team that was dropping like a stone, filled with players from opposing managerial philosophies in (Poch vs Mourinho/Nuno/Conte),

A team that was a shambles, we had three managers in the final three months of the season and we lost our best player. We were considered a joke of a club. Everyone was screaming to rip it all up and start again.

I think to expect us to go from that to becoming title challengers in just over a year, I believe is unrealistic. It’s tough seeing our arch rivals challenging at the top. But Arteta didn’t do that until his fourth season.

We have started a new project and I’m excited to see where it goes. I’m actually getting back to a place where I actually like our players like I did during poch era. I’m excited to see how things develop

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I see a lot of the same names who were on this board just over 12 months ago writing us off as heading towards years of midtable mediocrity now bemoaning that we haven't done enough in the 2nd summer transfer market since to make ourselves challengers a year later, it's ludicrous

 

[AberdeenYid]

Good points from the window (obviously without knowing the impacts for seasons to come):

Shifted a lot of deadwood.

Got a good striker.

Signed a few very good young players.

Strengthened the first team and squad.

Bad points:

We don’t sell well. I look at the money being dragged in elsewhere for mediocrity and we don’t seem to be able to do that.

Mild panic at the thought of Vic or Udogie being injured with no real back up. And the money must be there to ensure this didn’t happen.

 

[dudu]

We're not 'pretending' anything, it's just incredibly naive to take what he has said entirely at face value without thinking about how and when we could get there, plus of course what else he could possibly have said instead, and to take it to mean that we will be challenging for the title 12 months later. Even in the bit you've quoted he talks about foundations, and that hopefully in 12 months' time people will be talking about us differently - that's a very long way from saying we will be in the title race. As I said in my initial post to you, we have removed pretty much all of the deadwood except Reggie, and that in itself is an incredible achievement that, having been seemingly unachieveable for a couple of years, has suddenly all happened within 8 months! Then when you look at the kind of players we've signed recently, I'd imagine people are talking about us differently now, people are recognising that having got rid of the deadwood and signed lots of promising youngsters, we are at the start of a new era.

Don't get me wrong, I certainly don't think Levy has got everything right, and for me the appointments of Jose and Conte (and of course Nuno) were the worst things he's ever done, completely ignoring the attributes of our squad at the time, and the style of football that we've been famous for playing for 100+ years. I get what he was trying to do with Jose and Conte - we'd got so close, now we need winning mentality to get us over the line, what better than a manager who has a history of winning? But it was naive and ignoring our footballing foundations.

It's genuinely different now. We are trying to play exciting football again, all of the old guard is gone, lots of promising new young players have come in, and I'd be amazed if there is any pundit out there who isn't 'talking about us differently', as a team that has finally accepted the end of a sub-optimal era and is at the start of a new era. Now I know some of the doom-mongers on here will say "we've heard it all before", but no we haven't, well not for many years anyway - the future of the squad looks brighter now than it has at any point since Poch. Admittedly it remains to be seen whether Angeball can deliver consistent results, but I'm far more excited to find out than I ever was with any of the other manager appointments since Poch.

Tbh reading this back, then reading Ionman34 's response to you, I probably should have left it to him, he has articulated how I feel about it all far better than I have above.

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[Shadydan]

I saw the below quote somewhere else, feels pretty apt here




I see a lot of the same names who were on this board just over 12 months ago writing us off as heading towards years of midtable mediocrity now bemoaning that we haven't done enough in the 2nd summer transfer market since to make ourselves challengers a year later, it's ludicrous

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I think you should name them

 

[Pathfinder]

why is everyone forgetting his own club mocked him for missing a penalty and then decided to make a racist video which involved him being compared to a coconut? this after he was instrumental in them winning the league for the first time in forever.

All I've seen is posts about how he fucked it up but nothing at all about his club acting like total cunts to him.

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I am not justifying those twitter posts (the club came out to apologize and said it was not meant to be racist) but that doesn't negate that fact that he and his agent(s) messed up his situation.
Napoli had agreed all terms with 2 clubs and were ready to let him go for a "decent" price but his demands were turned down by both clubs.

 

[Ionman34]

Just being honest on my thought process.

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I never suggested you weren't. What I did suggest is that you take a step back and reexamine it, at least try to see a point of view from a different perspective other than your own "Black and White" one.

I'm reading your replies and thinking... "wtf??"... "what is this???"... "what's going on???

And it's not just you...increasingly finding myself doing this a lot with others.

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I think I articulated my own thought process quite clearly. TBH, reading your many posts on the subject, it comes across as a refusal to understand, rather than an inability, and that is why you're asking the above when I've been clear in what I think. Back to the cake and the icing.

And not just this fanbase.

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I couldn't care less about other fanbases. Why that bothers you so much is beyond me.

Some other clubs have it chronic and fans will just ride with whatever turn the club decides to make for good or ill.

I simply cannot relate to it.

That's all.

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See above.

Seems to be a definite phenomenon of acceptance of whatever a club does.

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Now there's a generalisation if ever I've seen one. You're lumping everyone into two distinct and diametrically opposite factions, when reality doesn't work that way, and you appear to be shoehorning me into one of them.

Let's be clear, we're talking about the process the club is following right now. I'm on board with that because I can see the logic behind it. As I noted previously, we've seen this process enacted already by the filth, and it has proven to be successful, in that it now has them challenging for the title. As I said previously, you're an intelligent bloke, so the only reason I can see for you not being able to correlate this is because you refuse to. It all points towards your hatred of Levy sublimating your critical thinking. Your repeated use of "baldcunt" seems to underline this. Your assertions that your reasons for first supporting Spurs are "irrelevant" reinforce that. At least that's what I'm extrapolating from your posts.

More than I've ever seen before.

You just back it and if you don't you're not doing the supporting right.

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At no point have I ever suggested that. I'm arguing my own point of view and backing it up with my own thought process.

So, I just see you as a node of behaviour I find inscrutable, really.

Not having a personal dig.

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It might not be a dig, but "node of behaviour?" This is not a behaviour, it's been backed by my own thought process and logic as I see it. It's notable that you haven't actually addressed any of that thought process, you've just refused to accept it with no fundamental reasoning to gainsay my own.

THAT is more evident of a "node of behaviour" than anything I've done here.

The initial post of yours I replied to seemed to encapsulate this.

Why it stood out to me.

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It really didn't. What it encapsulates is my love for the club and where I find joy in it.

You seem to think that this means that I'm content to just "go with the flow," but that's just you making assumptions.

I want the glory too, I want us top of the tree. The difference is that it's not the be all and end all to me. That's not why I started following this club in the first place. We were relegated when I was still a nipper, we were nearly bankrupted when I was a young man. Yet I've never lost an ounce of that love for my club that my old man awakened in me. It's the prevailing emotion I have when I talk to anyone about my club. Yours seems to be an abiding hatred for the Chairman, as that seems to be your go to subject whenever you get involved in a discussion about the club.

On the subject of "nodes of behaviour," that is the prevailing one here.

Taking joy in the way we play, the wins we get and the successes we have is not an acceptance of mediocrity, it is simply me being a fan.

 

[Jousting]

Not going to pretend to be an expert, not able to see full games very often. I tend to be of the 'try not to get too stressed' philosophy. Social media is forcing everyone to extremes of opinion (or other people telling you which extreme of opinion you hold) i.e Levy + ENIC apologists / supporters vs Levy + ENIC are evil and secretly want Spurs not to be successful on the pitch because they hate Spurs fans and just want to steal their money. Again I think that neither of these extreme opinions is the truth but there are many more complications to the real story.

It's frustrating the the blatant financial doping of the oil funded clubs / Abramovich and Boely Chelsea are not being dealt with to give a more even playing field (Even though this would advantage Spurs vs other clubs due to the stadium and other events etc).

Overall the transfer window was quite good, some exciting and dare I say sensible?!? Signings which you can understand how will help the team. I think the shipping out of players not contributing to the squad, particularly in the context of the horrendously complicated rules on squad make up has been a positive.

But equally when you are looking with a degree of jealousy at the signings Brighton keep making (Minteh, Gruda) that would have improved Spurs squad it feels like we could have done more.
I am hoping that overall Spurs can keep the positive elements of Ange-ball and reduce the easy breaks leading to goals against us. This could be a very positive season see first 10 games from last year, but the last 1/3rd of the season was very sobering and makes me worry that the thought that how to be played vs Ange-ball with a low block. I'm interested to find out how we go and think that I'm enjoying that the constant churn of the transfer window is over for a few months

 

[Spursidol]

I saw the below quote somewhere else, feels pretty apt here




I see a lot of the same names who were on this board just over 12 months ago writing us off as heading towards years of midtable mediocrity now bemoaning that we haven't done enough in the 2nd summer transfer market since to make ourselves challengers a year later, it's ludicrous

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Correct, typical things the negative posters didn't like last season :
- Van de Venn, too young, too little experience and 'cheap' . Should have paid up more for a CB (Todibo) who actually refused to move to anyone last year
- Udogie, too young, bought last year and only a year experience in Italian league
- Vicario, never heard of him so he must be rubbish. Should have paid Brentford more to get the number one GK target, Raya, (who curiously didn't look that good away from Brentford last season)
- Maddison, we should have paid more than £40m
- etc
- So 4/10 must be generous

Within a month or two, players performing with Vicario and Udogie as 'unknowns' suddenly recognised by people watching PL as top footballers along with Maddison as was Sarr given a 2nd chance (under Conte hardly seen) etc

However much research is done on players before purchase, some simply do not perform as expected. I've done a reasonable amount of buying companies as a day job, and its said that 50|% of companies purchased fail to live up to pre-purchase expectations, and broadly it wouldn't surprise me if that were true of players - certainly between 2016 to 2020 only Sanchez and Moura were average over more than one season , and most were worse.

So our actual success rate on bringing in players under Paraciti and now Lange has been exceptionally good. Its a shame the negative posters seem to have compared our current success rate to other clubs and also factor that in when assessing how successful or otherwise Spurs have been in the transfer market.

Its a shame how shallow some posters analysis is.

 

[Jousting]

Also you can only really judge the success of a transfer and overall a transfer window retrospectively i.e. over the next few seasons

 

[McCOYS]

Also you can only really judge the success of a transfer and overall a transfer window retrospectively i.e. over the next few seasons

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Didn't Ange say that it's his second season when he usually wins things? That's now.

 

[Mostly wrong]

Couldn’t disagree more with any of that. You also won’t address the other points I made which I think we know why.
Defending levy lots & calling our legend a snake whilst praising levy isn’t just “general acceptance that the ownership status of the club isn't something 99.9% of fans have any modicum of control over”. Wow,, you really can’t say any criticism of levy suppprters can you. What a warped illogical spin you put on that!
How is giving me nasty personal abuse because I criticise levy just someone looking for positives.
The levy fans aren’t positive people at all. Constantly moaning about people for criticising the owners whilst having no issues with people moaning about about 1000 other issues. As long as it’s not levy & enic.
They also think we can’t accept to do any better than a carling cup every 25 years . They moan & repeat themselves as much as Any one else. I think you are in denial about enic & levy & his supporters. What about calling Jose a toxic dinosaur but when levy appoints him suddenly they call him a serial winner? No comment!
Going on forums or social media isn’t the best way to find positive stuff. Next you will tell me you go on twitter to find the positives in life.

well I worry if you think our world players don’t leave because enic & levy are awful at winning stuff. Happened for a long time now. You lot lap it up. Supporting owners who win a carling cup every 25 years = world class players having to go elsewhere to win silverware. It’s very simple.
Enic & levy aren’t dumb. If you think they did anll they can over kanes time here to keep him then it shows how biased you are. They might try harder when realising kanes had enough for example, but it’s too little too late. If he stayed nothing suggested we win a trophy. Don’t think we made it to February in the cups.
Look at the state of the club his last few years here & since he has left. Why would you stay at enic & levy’s Tottenham if you are world class. We never truly supported him & built a very good team around him for his duration. We were a mess going downwards. Should have stayed for the Celtic manager I guess. If you think levy & enic is s club a world class player should want to play for then it shows how deluded you are about them.

Anyway I can see you spin everything & won’t hear a bad word against levy & his fans.
You carry on telling the world how we are lucky to be miles behind Woolwich & a trophy is miles off. We can’t except to go for titles like Woolwich. I Know your kind of positive. Whilst pretending you are just lovely positive people& whilst blocking out personal abuse & then moaning about any one who doesn’t like the owners. Whilst excusing all the moaning posts about the manager, players, Tactics, team selection. Referring, other teams etc. which you too have no control of but that’s ok now! You have no control over what others post but yet here you are thinking you do! We have no control over most things we post about or give views on, Even in the off topic thread.
If strangers online upset you are stop your positivity then I think forums & social media aren’t for you. But to be honest I don’t get any sense that the levy fans are positive at all. You can keep saying it all you want but doesn’t feel like it to many of us.
You can reply but we are wasting each others time as you aren’t changing my mind & I ain’t changing yours So I won’t be reading your reply.. Agree to disagree!

Ps. Notice how levy fans aren’t bored of levy discussion when you post defending him.

A simple question. Levy or Kane. You can only pick one to still be here. No brainer for me … Kane. Yet many won’t pick Kane over levy. Can you answer Kane? Or will you refuse to pick one & make a 100 excuses why you can’t not pick a world class legend over a chairman who’s awful at winning stuff . Tells you all you need to know that it’s a not a simple decision for you. I’ll never know your answer but I think I can guess at it

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I would attempt to respond to this but it's just a load of absolute waffle and conjecture, I've literally never said 80% of the things you're alluding to in this post, and in response to the bolded I think this short essay is plenty evidence enough that you should get yourself off socials and try just watching the games and enjoying yourself mate. You really don't need to carry this much paranoia and hatred over football, it's not healthy.

 

[WPHIII]

Who are you?

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Always a good sign when you’ve resorted to this instead of actually responding to the post.

 

[Jousting]

All Spurs fans want and crave success, is spending big in every transfer window the guarantee of that? where does building a squad fit with that? What is the right or optimal number of ins/outs every window for successful integration?

 

[thinktank]

What a mess he's got himself into now. Not claiming I know what's went on the behind the scene but it looks like Osimhen and his agent burned all the bridges with Napoli being too sure of themselves that some club would meet their outrageous demands... Not even Chelski were willing to take a chance of him


View: https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1830012751164436897

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Greedy fool.

 

[scott]

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Well done you. On our way to another shit season but as long as we hang on to your precious levy & enic.