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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

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Really needed a RW this Summer. When you actually look at the squad (assuming that Kulu is now a central player, which he should be) then we only have BJ as a natural RW player. Sure, others can fill in but do you really want to see Werner, Son, or god forbid Richarlison at RW? It also looks as though Odobert is another LW player and even Yang and Moore are even LW naturally. Again, I understand that players can fill in there but it's really not ideal.
 
Really needed a RW this Summer. When you actually look at the squad (assuming that Kulu is now a central player, which he should be) then we only have BJ as a natural RW player. Sure, others can fill in but do you really want to see Werner, Son, or god forbid Richarlison at RW? It also looks as though Odobert is another LW player and even Yang and Moore are even LW naturally. Again, I understand that players can fill in there but it's really not ideal.

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Really needed a RW this Summer. When you actually look at the squad (assuming that Kulu is now a central player, which he should be) then we only have BJ as a natural RW player. Sure, others can fill in but do you really want to see Werner, Son, or god forbid Richarlison at RW? It also looks as though Odobert is another LW player and even Yang and Moore are even LW naturally. Again, I understand that players can fill in there but it's really not ideal.
If needed I suppose Spence or Porro can play there.
 
Really needed a RW this Summer. When you actually look at the squad (assuming that Kulu is now a central player, which he should be) then we only have BJ as a natural RW player. Sure, others can fill in but do you really want to see Werner, Son, or god forbid Richarlison at RW? It also looks as though Odobert is another LW player and even Yang and Moore are even LW naturally. Again, I understand that players can fill in there but it's really not ideal.

Fcuk wingers. Not our biggest issue.
 
If you could upgrade what would you do?
Top quality defensive midfielder. I’ve said it many times……we have 2 of the best centrebacks in the league but we concede poor goals because they have to cover our inverted full backs. They need a really top defensive midfielder to support them. Bentamcur, Bissouma can play that role and Skipp and Hojbjerg could before but just not quite at the level we need,
 
What if we sign him? Do we get 25% of that transfer fee? :llorishowudoin::sarrthink:

Usually a 25% sell on is 25% of the excess over amount Sunderland paid us, thought to be circa £750k.

So if Clarke sold to Ipswich for say £20m then Sunderland need to pay Spurs 25% x (£20m-£750k) or almost £5m, and Sunderland keep circa £15m.

If Spurs want to sign Clarke, then all we need to do is bid more than £15m and Sunderland will view that as beating Ipswich bid.
 
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In interest of finding an effective transfer strategy for Spurs I’ve looked at how Leverkusen and Napoli established their league winning sides. Both are teams that I think are in a relatively similar position to Spurs: Napoli needed Maradona to win them their only titles before 22/23, and “Neverkusen” who were always considered a step below the elite German clubs. I basically looked at when they acquired their key personnel for their title winning squads, their cost, their age, and where they bought them from. Note that there’s a tiny bit of rounding with the cost cause I didn’t feel like doing decimals.

First Leverkusen:

15/16:
Jonathan Tah 19, 10m from Hamburger SV

19/20:
Tapsoba 20, 20m from Vit. Guimaraes
Moussa Diaby 19, 15m from PSG (not on their winning squad actually, but worth noting cause they sold him for a huge profit the year they won the league, which allowed them more flexibility in the transfer market)
Palacios 21, 17m from River Plate
Wirtz 16, 200k from Koln (to their youth squad, he was later promoted)

20/21:
Shick 24, 26m from Roma
Frimpong 20, 11m from Celtic

21/22:
Kossounou 20, 23m from Brugge
Hincapie 19, 6m from Talleres
Andrich 26, 7m from Union Berlin
Adli 21, 8m from Toulouse

22/23:
Hlozek 19, 13m from Sparta Prague

23/24:
Boniface 22, 22m from Union SG
Granit Xhaka 30, 15m from Woolwich
Grimaldo 27, free transfer from Benfica
Jonas Hofmann 30, 10m from Gladbach

Napoli:

16/17:
Zielinski 22, 16m from Udinese

17/18:
Mario Rui 26, 6m from Roma

19/20:
Lozano 24, 45m from PSV
Lobotka 25, 26m from Udinese
Di Lorenzo 25, 10m from Empoli
Meret 22, 26m from Udinese (was loaned a year before)
Elmas 19, 18m from Besiktas
Rrahmani 25, 14m from Verona

20/21:
Osimhen 21, 78m from Lille

21/22:
Matteo Politano 27, 22m from Inter

22/23
Min-Jae Kim 25, 19m from Fenerbahce
Anguissa 26, 16m from Fulham (though they loaned him from Fulham a season before)
Kvaratskhelia 21, 13m Dinamo Batumi
Mathias Olivera 24, 17m from Getafe

Some thoughts:
Both clubs seemingly had very different transfer strategies. Leverkusen went pretty hard for youth, while Napoli took on more established players. Despite being very youth focused, on their title winning season Leverkusen added 3 experienced players: Xhaka, Grimaldo, and Hofmann, all from big clubs or Woolwich, and perhaps that’s what they needed to get them over the line once their youth project was hitting critical mass.
Napoli’s main startegy was seemingly buying from Serie A, both from smaller clubs (Udinese appears 3 times on the list, I’d have put out a restraining order), and a few out of favor players from bigger clubs like Politano and Mario Rui. With that they’ve made some purchases from what I’d call “Europa League” clubs, like Besiktas, PSV, Lille, and Fenerbahce. Osimhen is kind of a massive outlier, there’s a rumour that the fee was inflated for FFP reasons, considering they sold 10m worth of reserve players to Lille in the same window.

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So your chart says that Bissouma is much better in most areas ?

Is the data for Bissouma skewed to include only his best matches or is it a genuine take over many matches, question is due to Bissouma's very variable form/success over last season ?

Bissouma just isn't as bad as people like to make out. People just think if he isn't beating three players and getting out of a press constantly, he's had an average game.

But stats as we know can be misinterpreted. Joao Gomes, outside of tackles, looks pretty bang average tbh

Latest reports from The Athletic say we aren't after a busy meifielder anyway because Bergvall and Gray have impressed so much. Which I'm glad. We don't need another 8

And the 6 market is absolutely rubbish.
 
Top quality defensive midfielder. I’ve said it many times……we have 2 of the best centrebacks in the league but we concede poor goals because they have to cover our inverted full backs. They need a really top defensive midfielder to support them. Bentamcur, Bissouma can play that role and Skipp and Hojbjerg could before but just not quite at the level we need,

agree when we do give position one of the midfield needs to have the recovery speed and stamina to make it a back 3 while the fullbacks recover their shape
 
Hear me out . Jadon Sancho . Under 30 million and we all know from last season he’s not a terrible player , just struggling at United like MANY top players do . Better than Werner and Brennan Johnson
*Scott Steiner voice*

“HE’S FAT!”

Sancho has been a complete flop on the prem, he’s let 2 teenagers take his spot at Utd. Terrible professional off the pitch as well.

We just ended the N’Dombele relationship and you guys want to dive right back in.
 
Bissouma just isn't as bad as people like to make out. People just think if he isn't beating three players and getting out of a press constantly, he's had an average game.

But stats as we know can be misinterpreted. Joao Gomes, outside of tackles, looks pretty bang average tbh

Latest reports from The Athletic say we aren't after a busy meifielder anyway because Bergvall and Gray have impressed so much. Which I'm glad. We don't need another 8

And the 6 market is absolutely rubbish.
When Ugarte & Amadou Onana are the 2 most expensive DMs this summer…

Skipp is 5th btw.

The only player who I liked was Mats Wieffer, who’s gone to Brighton (obviously), but Liverpool have been crying out for a DM and Slot never bothered taking him to Anfield, so it’s left me wondering, is he really that good?
 
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