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Earlier this week, the club had a meeting with the Tottenham Hotspur Supporter's Trust, where they discussed various issues that relate to the club, its future, and its relationship with the fans. The Supporter's Trust recently released their minutes of the meeting and they contain several interesting nuggets of information. Let's take a quick look at some choice highlights.

The New Stadium

Daniel Levy explained how the Compulsory Purchase Order on the one remaining property (Archway Steel) was still outstanding, a year after the public enquiry in March 2013. THFC had been advised a decision was imminent in September 2013 and has been following up fortnightly through lawyers ever since

THFC has already relocated 71 businesses from Tottenham amicably to secure the land for the new stadium

THFC has been trying to purchase Archway Steel for 10 years now and until this is finally resolved, work cannot begin on the new stadium

Levy commented that the timings were increasingly tight and there was the possibility this may be pushed back if the CPO was any further delayed

The possibility of ground sharing for the final season prior to the new stadium opening was raised by THST. Levy advised that THFC had an open mind as to where this may be but this was looking increasingly like a possibility.

Why heavens to betsy, it would seem that contrary to what some portions of our fanbase believe, ENIC is not a lazy behemoth who never plan on building a new stadium! Perhaps, building a 60,000+ seater stadium in one of the densest urban environments in the world is kind of tricky. In particular, I'm struck by the 71 businesses they've relocated, a number I haven't seen before. That's A LOT of ground work that's been laid. It seems like the hold up is one business in particular. Hopefully this is resolved soon so things can get back on schedule. It also seems like we're certainly moving towards a ground share to get this thing done sooner rather than later. Let's hope its at the Emirates so we can trash the joint every other week or so.

The Team

Levy explained that we needed a manager who believed in our football philosophy, where we would be entertained

Levy stated we have a very good group of players at the Club and, ideally, we want someone who can bring the best out of experienced players and bring through youth, too.
It would seem that Levy is concerned about our style of play on the pitch. It's more heartening to hear his take on our youth system. With great players like Kane and Bentaleb coming up, one would hope that Levy emphasizes to the next manager how important it is to properly integrate players such as these into the squad.

THST asked about Lamela. As a club record signing, the fans should have been kept in the loop on his progress. THFC responded that Tim had updated in his press conferences and confirmed that he is now back in light training following a complex back injury.
Well at least the word coming from the club continues to line up with reports of a weird back injury keeping Lamela out and not a mafia hit organized by AVB and an Argentine ultras group. Hopefully that's all it is and he's healthy soon.

StubHub

THST stated that the Trust position on the secondary ticketing platform had been made clear previously and there was little need to recap on earlier statements etc.

So at this point, can we all agree that StubHub is basically Spurs fans' Benghazi?

The Y Word

THFC acknowledged this remained a complex issue and had been headline news both here and abroad, especially in the USA, such was the interest in the case.

Both THST and THFC agreed using the term should never have been a criminal offence, however, the THFC consultation did illustrate some fans are offended by the term.
THST and THFC both hoped the flash point had now passed.

Neither party had received an update from the Metropolitan Police after the CPS discontinued the case against the 3 Spurs fans on 7th March.

Not a lot new here, but it sort of confirms what many of us suspected. The club kind wants this to remain in the limbo of something they can tacitly, but not explicitly support. That the club is sensitive about the attention the issue is getting overseas, where it could be presented even more devoid of context than it is in England, makes total sense given their aggressive expansion in North America and Asia over the last few years. I think we can all join the club AND THST in the hopes that this has passed. BUT I think we can all be certain that David Baddiel will decide he wants to blame the shortcomings of Chelsea fans on someone else at some point in the next year or two and we'll have to dance this dance all over again.

Other Bits and Bobs

THST asked whether Ledley King's squad number would now be retired in his honour. DC replied it wouldn't be retired but nor would it be assigned. Retiring it would be permanent and what would happen if Ledley's son wants to play as Tottenham's number 26 in future years?

This is awesome. We should all hope this happens and I expect numerous song suggestions in the comments.

THFC confirmed that all toilets are undergoing a makeover in the North, East and South stands for the start of next season.

Really disappointed that the club would use their resources to improve transport links out of the stadium for Woolwich fans. But that's modern football for you.
 
Thanks very much ArtyB ArtyB , an interesting read. Appreciate you taking the time to sift through the shit to find the sweetcorn.

No doubt people with absolutely zero knowledge regarding Levy will still call him a thick, useless cunt. Rather ironic really!!
 
Thanks very much ArtyB ArtyB , an interesting read. Appreciate you taking the time to sift through the shit to find the sweetcorn.

No doubt people with absolutely zero knowledge regarding Levy will still call him a thick, useless cunt. Rather ironic really!!

I honestly don't know what you mean.
I unfortunately have zero knowledge.
 
Thanks very much ArtyB ArtyB , an interesting read. Appreciate you taking the time to sift through the shit to find the sweetcorn.

No doubt people with absolutely zero knowledge regarding Levy will still call him a thick, useless cunt. Rather ironic really!!
Don't thank me, thank the cartilagefreecaptain, he wrote it, I just sift through the shit on NewsNow and Facebook and found this nugget.
 
ArtyB ArtyB

The only real new info to come out of the meeting was the amount of compulsory acquisitions and new toilet upgrades..

Thanks THST for gaining us this insightful info...

#levypropaganda
#levyfront

How about asking some hard questions and not simply settling for some of levys bullshit answers...sick of the cosy relationship they have with ENIC, more about keeping their positions and relevance rather than representing the fans...

#iwantthemeetingsminutes
 
ArtyB ArtyB

The only real new info to come out of the meeting was the amount of compulsory acquisitions and new toilet upgrades..

Thanks THST for gaining us this insightful info...

#levypropaganda
#levyfront

How about asking some hard questions and not simply settling for some of levys bullshit answers...sick of the cosy relationship they have with ENIC, more about keeping their positions and relevance rather than representing the fans...

#iwantthemeetingsminutes

What would you like to ask him?
 
ArtyB ArtyB

The only real new info to come out of the meeting was the amount of compulsory acquisitions and new toilet upgrades..

Thanks THST for gaining us this insightful info...

#levypropaganda
#levyfront

How about asking some hard questions and not simply settling for some of levys bullshit answers...sick of the cosy relationship they have with ENIC, more about keeping their positions and relevance rather than representing the fans...

#iwantthemeetingsminutes
The minutes are on the THST website, and I linked to them in Ledley's Testimonial thread.

Read them and then have a whinge. I'm really not sure there is much in them to complain about.
 
THST/THFC Board to Board Meeting, 13th May 2014

Tottenham Hotspur Supporters’ Trust
Tottenham Hotspur Football Club
Board to Board Meeting
Tuesday 13th May 2014, 6pm

Tottenham Hotspur Football Club, Bill Nicholson Way, 748 High Road, Tottenham, London N17 0AP

Minutes
THST Board: Darren Howlett (Chairman), Katrina Law (Secretary), Adam Bailey (Treasurer), Ellie Kershaw, Martin Cloake, Paul Head, Suraj Sharma

THFC Board: Daniel Levy (Chairman), Donna-Maria Cullen (Executive Director), Sue Tilling (Safety Officer), Ian Murphy (Head of Ticketing and Membership), Jonathan Waite (Customer Service & Supporter Liaison Manager)



The meeting opened with DC expressing how much THST Joint Chairman, Darren Alexander, was missed following his passing in March. This sentiment was shared by all.

1. Stadium Update: CPO’s, naming rights, timescales, ground shares
DH stated that the stadium was the most critical issue facing the Club at present
DL explained how the CPO on the one remaining property (Archway Steel) was still outstanding, a year after the public enquiry in March 2013. THFC had been advised a decision was imminent in September 2013 and has been following up fortnightly through lawyers ever since
THFC has already relocated 71 businesses from Tottenham amicably to secure the land for the new stadium
THFC has been trying to purchase Archway Steel for 10 years now and until this is finally resolved, work cannot begin on the new stadium
AB asked whether the timelines shared with fans in April were achievable, in terms of the completion date of 2017. DL commented that the timings were increasingly tight and there was the possibility this may be pushed back if the CPO was any further delayed
MC asked whether the stadium design remained the same as the set made public in 2012. DC commented that there would be internal changes as the design was already dated in terms of the latest fittings etc.
DL and DC confirmed that once THFC is in a position to begin the build process in earnest, the various committees established to advise and assist with the move would be revived – Heritage Committee, Transport Committee etc.
The possibility of ground sharing for the final season prior to the new stadium opening was raised by THST. DL advised that THFC had an open mind as to where this may be but this was looking increasingly like a possibility
KL enquired as to the possibility of building a multi-purpose stadium to accommodate other sports (NFL, in particular). DL commented that nothing was planned at this point but they would keep an open mind for the future

2. Safe Standing: Survey results
PH and KL talked through the results from the THST survey undertaken in December 2013 around the issue of Safe Standing
The survey was open to all THFC fans via Survey Monkey and received c 2300 respondents over a two week period
The results were overwhelmingly positive
A full copy of the presentation and the main findings can be viewed here.
Once the conclusions had been shared, THST then asked THFC for comment on their position on the Safe Standing debate
DL and DC stated they were open minded for now and would be supportive once there’s a change in legislation. They are also willing to consult with other Premier League Clubs over their positions in this discussion
THST stressed there was a definite appetite for this amongst our supporters
Bearing in mind the complex circumstances regarding the new stadium, the club felt this was the wrong time for THFC to spearhead any campaign on this
DC agreed to provide a comment to accompany the Survey Results, which THST would publish as soon as possible

3. Atmosphere: Visuals and audio
KL began by thanking DC for her support in this area over the past year. Backing the surfing flag idea (and funding the first one), agreeing to push Haringey SAG for a bigger flag for next season and understanding why visuals are important in general was really appreciated
KL also thanked JW and ST for working with the fans to allow more flags etc. into the ground over recent months. This was to be encouraged more over the coming campaign
Organic growth in this area was the best possible way forward as anything too artificial caused a backlash hence the ideal was more flags and banners being brought in by fans of their own accord
KL explained how THST hoped to produce more of the banners for the Park Lane and Paxton Road balconies next season after the delivery of the ‘Bill Nicholson’ banner earlier this week. These are fan funded and offer a chance for supporters to feel part of their stadium
All commented how the atmosphere at the Ledley King Testimonial match had been superb and the aim was to capture that for home league games
The contribution the 1882 movement had made to cup games and youth games was also acknowledged by both THFC and THST
The issue of the Drum was raised and THFC agreed to hold discussions with the drummer over the summer
KL asked for the ‘Tottenham Tweets’ on the Jumbotron to stop, claiming they are distracting as, naturally, fans presume it’s a goal update. Plus no one in the ground can tweet as there isn’t a signal! JW commented many people liked and enjoyed the tweets
DC confirmed that there will be a WIFI signal/increased bandwidth in White Hart Lane for all to use from next season onwards

4. THFC 2013-2014 Season Review: positives, negatives, next season
Following the departure of Tim Sherwood earlier in the day, DH opened up this section by asking for clarification of the footballing principles guiding DL
DL explained that we needed a manager who believed in our football philosophy, where we would be entertained
DL stated we have a very good group of players at the Club and, ideally, we want someone who can bring the best out of experienced players and bring through youth, too
The managerial tenure at THFC was not felt to be out of kilter with most of the top flight, excepting Woolwich and formerly Man Utd. And certainly not with Europe, where standard contracts were for 2 seasons only
THST asked about Lamela. As a club record signing, the fans should have been kept in the loop on his progress. DC responded that Tim had updated in his press conferences and confirmed that he is now back in light training following a complex back injury
THST questioned what success looked like for Spurs? Was it a top 4 finish or silverware? DL acknowledged that there were 6 or 7 teams competing for those four places so top 4 was difficult but should always be an ambition
THST asked whether there would be renewed focus on the Europa League following the rule changes. DL commented the competition was always taken seriously and would be next season
THST made clear the level of disillusion and disaffection among fans over a perceived lack of direction at the club, DL reiterated that our ambitions remain the same

5. Ticketing: Pricing, allocations
KL acknowledged the progress in terms of fan consultation this season and thanked DL for the season ticket and match day prize freeze and the rise in concessions from U16 to U18
KL also welcomed the Capital One and UEL pricing of £20/ £10/ £5 offered last season
Taking the maximum allocation to away games was another positive, as our away support continues to be solid
The new loyalty point allocation for away games, after discussion with THST, was another example of collaborative working this year. Away games will be awarded points on the basis of the opposition, time of day, day of week and location from Aug 2014 onwards
THST members had put forward some questions around the area of ticketing, which KL raised. IM responded as follows:
Booking fees on ST and Membership renewals: terms of the Ticketmaster contract and can’t be absorbed into the actual ticket price
ST waiting list should be based on LP’s and not longevity of membership: not prepared to change the goal posts of a loyalty system with 4 years to go until a new stadium. Wouldn’t be fair
The priority 1000 Bronze seats should be anywhere in the stadium: THFC have chosen the best available seats across the stadium but need to remember a lot are taken by ST holders and they need to spread the 1000 around the ground to accommodate fans wishing to sit in different stands and tiers around the stadium. Difficulty here is software and technology, too. If the system allows you to book anywhere in the ground, it can be difficult to tell when it’s reached 1000 sales whilst tickets are in baskets and the site is live. By having 1000 identified seats, it makes it a lot easier. THST requested a breakdown of the 1000 Bronze seats

6. StubHub: Ongoing THST campaign update
MC stated that the Trust position on the secondary ticketing platform had been made clear previously and there was little need to recap on earlier statements etc.
THST did appreciate the stop to ‘flipping’ on the site
IM commented that further changes will be made over the summer
MC referred to the work being undertaken by Twickets and Chelsea Supporters’ Trust / CFC tickets to establish an ethical ticket exchange
MC asked if the club would be prepared to meet with any potential partners we suggested for future schemes, and THFC indicated they would approach any suggestions with an open mind
With one year left on the current deal with StubHub, discussions had not yet opened proper regarding any extension on this
DC did flag the importance of commercial partnerships when considering Financial Fair Play, however

7. Away Fans Matter: Allocating the £200K for next season
KL commented on the confusion last summer around whose money this was. There was the misconception this was a Premier League grant as opposed to each Club’s money ring-fenced for the away fans initiative. Better communication from the PL could have avoided this
KL also stated the THST preference for the money at that time had been to reduce ticket prices by £1.50 or so, but acknowledged the travel subsidies had worked well
The coaches had seen a 3 fold uplift on last season (minimum) and several families had contacted THST to say the free coaches / £10 coaches had meant they were able to take their children to more away games than they would’ve been able to without the subsidised transport
The train to Liverpool was a great success and EK and KL, who travelled on it, were complimentary about the price and the service all round
A further 4 trains next season will be welcomed
KL did flag that there was discontent from some of those living outside of N London, for whom a coach from WHL wasn’t practical
JW commented on the Official Supporters’ Clubs being entitled to one free away coach each season, too. This benefitted fans all over the country
KL requested the possibility of food and programme vouchers at selected games be explored for next season
KL agreed it was impossible to please all of the people, all of the time and that the travel, the free scarves, the refurbishments to the away end at WHL were a good start for the first year of this initiative
KL requested THST be kept in the loop and consulted with moving forwards on this initiative

8. The Y Word: Taking stock of the past 6 months and looking ahead
DC acknowledged this remained a complex issue and had been headline news both here and abroad, especially in the USA, such was the interest in the case
Both THST and THFC agreed using the term should never have been a criminal offence, however, the THFC consultation did illustrate some fans are offended by the term
THST and THFC both hoped the flash point had now passed
Neither party had received an update from the Metropolitan Police after the CPS discontinued the case against the 3 Spurs fans on 7th March
DC said that THFC remained focused on fighting anti-semitism. THST agreed that was its’ aim, also
THFC is in contact with Kick It Out regarding ways to combat anti-semitism within football moving forwards

9. AOB
Retire 26? KL asked whether Ledley King’s squad number would now be retired in his honour. DC replied it wouldn’t be retired but nor would it be assigned. Retiring it would be permanent and what would happen if Ledley’s son wants to play as Tottenham’s number 26 in future years?
DC confirmed that all toilets are undergoing a makeover in the North, East and South stands for the start of next season


Meeting concluded at 8pm
 
What would you like to ask him?

How about:
1. Stewarding over zealousness
2. THFC and their lack of support for those arrested over the yid word
3. More direct fan consultation
4. More transparency

They also shouldn't have lapped up his BS on the lamela issue, fan consultation on his injury was complete bullshit...

I'm not in the levy out brigade in fact I'm the complete opposite, I just feel the trust tends to ask a question based on the minutes and then not question the answer..it seems there's no cross examination which really pisses me off. If the trust think this seasons been fine and dandy and every1 has enjoyed going to whl, paying ridiculous prices to watch uninterested players lose all while having to put up with those cunts of stewards they should jump on TFC and start reading...generally ENIC has taken us forward, this season backwards..
Levy and co need to stop seeing us a cash cows and start appreciating us more...ether that or spend some fucking money, finally build a stadium, win some trophies and get some bandwagon Japanese fans to buy some kits...
 
How about:
1. Stewarding over zealousness
Have you personally experienced this?
2. THFC and their lack of support for those arrested over the yid word
The club conducted a survey asking fans what they thought about the Y word. Not an insignificant among of Jewish fans, including myself, and non-Jewish fans indicated they felt it was offensive, even if we amount to a minotity (how ironic). In the minutes above they comment that they both don't think that the word should have been treated criminally, but at the same time they are conscious that the acceptability of it is not an across the board view and they are also wording generally to combat anti-semitism in the game. I am genuinely not sure what more you expect them to do? Frankly I think their approach has been spot on.
3. More direct fan consultation
Alas, it's the THST that they treat as the mouthpiece of the fans. It would be nice if the THST was more involved with the fan-base and they seem to be rather snooty and elitist these days.
4. More transparency
This, for me, is the most important thing. I am tired of letters on the OS when things are shit. I'd like to hear some reasoning from the horse's mouth now and again.
I just feel the trust tends to ask a question based on the minutes and then not question the answer..it seems there's no cross examination which really pisses me off.
I agree. My biggest problem with the trust is that, like I said above, they are the one group hat has direct contact. But because of that they seem to have become spineless yes men who don't really want to rock the boat. I think the fans would be much happier of they had the bollocks to put the tough questions to the club.
 
Smoked Salmon Smoked Salmon

I think you and me see eye to eye on my criticisms of the trust and by now I guess you all know I'm not there biggest fan. I can recognise that on some occasions though they have been useful.

To answer your question have I experienced over zealous stewarding at WHL, the answer is no. Last time I went regularly I was 13 and was going with my aunt. I was however at the WC in 06, euro 08, spurs away trips to inter Milan, Real Madrid and have been to around 10 spurs games at WHL from 09-2013. I've seen and experienced however more than my fair share of over zealous police and stewards. My reference though was from what I have gleaned from members of this forum and my own friends and family who still regularly attend games.
 
Smoked Salmon Smoked Salmon

The yid word is a tough one and I'll admit I'm abit on the fence with the word.
I can understand that it can be offensive to Jews and non-Jews alike but can also understand that by changing the meaning of a word and owning it we have turned an offensive word into an identity. My old man (Anglo-Saxon) disposes being called one, mostly because he feels that the Jewish identity of THFC is contrived and doesn't actually reflect the identity of the majority of the fanbase. Yid for me however has nothing to do with being a Jew and more a fuck you to scum like Chelsea and WHU.
Though of course I don't have any cultural or ethnic ties to the word so approach it without its historical meaning, which of course to Jews has a hugely negative connotations
As I said I'm on the fence...still feel the club shouldn't have left them out to dry..
 
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Thanks very much ArtyB ArtyB , an interesting read. Appreciate you taking the time to sift through the shit to find the sweetcorn.

No doubt people with absolutely zero knowledge regarding Levy will still call him a thick, useless cunt. Rather ironic really!!
I never said he was thick, the rest of that statements stays
 
Feel Levy has made a rod for his own back with the statements about the new manager's style; leaving only really Pocc on the current market, he' substituting results for style I feel.
 
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