Same could be said of all our back four.
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Tactics TFC's Tactical Autopsy Thread
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Actually to be fair, I'm not really in favour of "shoring up". And I agree with our antipodean overlord that we should carry on trying to score more goals. I would be in favour of refreshing the energy levels (aka using subs) in order to give us the best chance of achieving that though.
I don’t agree the headless chicken thing, not enough to be more of a compromise than Bentancur, who was caught fucking about for a couple of their goals Sunday.
I don’t think you need the double pivot with the fbs inverted, and Maddison as one of the 8’s, we need to solve that R8 problem. A player who can offer a similar skill set to Maddison ie a combination and tactical awareness, graft and productivity. Kulusevski is fine when there’s no pressure, but a liability when there is, with not enough payoff to make the liability pay.
If we are going to play Kulusevski there we might as well just bought Eze, because they’re both defensively compromised but at least Eze produces more offensively - and definitely would in this system. I wouldn’t necessarily start either in a game like this though.
Maybe if the FBs were inverted into the pivot and charged with ball progression and defending the counter, like Pep or Arteta or De Zerbi do, but they're not, they're played as auxiliary #10s. Which I think is a pretty stupid tactical decision but that's a whole other debate.
As for Bissouma/Bentancur, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Bentancur didn't have his best game against Brighton but he was excellent at Old Trafford and against Brentford, and for me is a much better defensive #6 than Bissouma who for my money goes wandering too much, is poor positionally, and often overplays it leading to losses of possession in dangerous areas. For me, we saw enough of Bissouma be terrible in the #6 last season to know he can't be consistently relied upon there.
Don't disagree about the Kulusevski/Maddison thing. For every game where it works (United) there's one where it doesn't (Brighton). But I don't think the solution is finding another #10 for that role; to make that work you need a Rodri-level #6 and a good tactical set up to mitigate for how open that can leave you defensively. We have neither. Hence why I keep coming back to this idea of a double pivot, or partnering Maddison with a proper athletic/defensive B2B like Sarr or pre-injury Bentancur who focus on being an actual B2B rather than another #10.
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was left out to be slaughtered against brighton! watch him for the chance that was brought up where romero is ball watching, hes spent! hes put his head down to jog 5 yards! any decent manager gets him off. he was clearly jaded and needed replacing.
the double pivot suits him, biss and sarr. i reckon maybe even bergvall could play there too, and gray obviously. but we wont see it because this idiot is wedded to kamikaze football no matter what.
On paper a 3-2 loss away there isn't the end of the world but in reality well as I posted Sunday I went out at H/T and switched back on at 66 minutes expecting 1-2.I was gobsmacked I support a team that is always more likely to give away a two goal lead than any other . I posted last week that Arne Slot is building from defence but our joker is "Banzai".
No it doesn't...it's NOT considering it...it sets out it's parameters...
...which is not the situation being evaluated. Sure, you'd like it to be and it might give a fuller picture but there's no dodge or funny business...it's just evaluating matters since Ange has come in...you know, those moves made that presumably improved each respective team SINCE Ange got here.
Why wouldn't anyone genuine want a "fuller" picture? ETH and Ange were being compared. The fact that ManU have actually spent a fuck ton more on players ETH actually specifically asked for as his primary targets (ie half his former Ajax team) is very relevant. If we want to be fair about it and not use a bogus comparison.
Also for fuller picture, the summer before Ange arrived Chelsea spent about 800m (net 570m). Even since Ange they've actually added 700m worth of players, they've just managed to sell 400m+ worth.
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It's not a matter of wanting it or not. It's a matter of the parameters he was utilizing for his point. If someone would like to critique his point then they have to utilize the same parameters...you can't alter the conditions and use that to assail his point.
...under a specific set of criteria established by the writer at the outset.
None of this matters to the writers point.
Again, none of this matters according to the criteria set out in the comparison...and that comparison was how much was spent SINCE Ange came into the league. Anything else is making the comparison apples and oranges.
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CIES have Udogie as Spurs most valuable player at a 'fair price' of 65m - 80m
A surprise choice ?
He made a point, I didn't argue that point, I made a counter point to add context to the comparison, which showed that an Ange/ETH comparison he made was apple and oranges - ie very different set of circumstances in terms of how much they've been allowed to spend, how they've influenced that spend - not to mention ETH has had much longer to coach something into that squad who's recruitment he's shaped.
The whole thing is somewhat arbitrary and is going to be influenced by team performance. So drawing conclusions about a team over/under performing its market value is undermined by the whole valuation process.
But yes the Udogie one stands out as a bit flawed which kind of undermines the whole thing anyway.
Agree. Double pivots actually suit a lot of players, and single pivots very few.
Look how Liverpool have managed to make do with Mac Allister and Gravenberch as a double pivot - neither is really a #6, Mac Allister was terrible there last season and Gravenberch certainly isn't good enough defensively for the role. But together they mitigate each others defensive frailties and consequently they have two top class ball progressors in deep midfield and are sitting pretty at the top of the league.
Or, closer to home, some might remember when Jose was forced to play Gio and Winks in the double pivot in his first season. Of course neither are good enough defensively to be a solo #6 but the double pivot just about gets them out of dodge, and Gio was our best performer during that stretch.
Jose could only dream of having our current options in the double pivot.
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The truth is they've both been shit. Just cos ETH has been more shit doesn't make Ange's performance any better.