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This notion of an Ange team that gives up tons of chances but also creates a lot at the other end to somewhat make up for it has started to become outdated I'd say. Have we even been creating nearly as much in the last few months, since that 0-5 win against Soton in mid-December to be more specific? I doubt it.

It seems like we've already reached the dead end where we not only barely create anything but also keep handing chances and goals out like candy. Managers rarely turn this kind of dire stuff around, no matter what the underlying cause is.
 
One thing that I just can't fathom is us always restarting the game from free kicks/goal kicks instantly

Is it supposed to unsettle the opposition or something? All it does is mean we end up penned in to our own area as we are even less set than the oppo
 
A league season, consisting of 38 matches at the moment, is not that perfect sample where how good teams are (a.k.a what underlying metrics are supposed to quantify) and what they have to show for it (in the form of points, goals scored etc.) will perfectly align. It was 42 back in the day, it might be less than 38 in the future. It's as arbitrary of a convention as using a bunch of best of 19s, 25s, 33s and a 35 to decide who the best snooker player of that given season is. You'll always have overperformers and underperformers due to that aforementioned imperfect alignment.

But, other things being equal, correlation between the aforementioned two variables will be expected to reach a perfect 1 as sample size increases. At a certain -practically unknown- point, you will no longer see any underperformers or overperformers. The best team will always win the league, while the 8th best will finish exactly 8th. Everybody'll end up with what they "deserve" basically. There's nothing groundbreaking about this.

This kind of an argument based on underachieving would have been the best one to make for Ange, if it was possible that is. You could have been pointing out how discrepant our underlying metrics and our output are, and how we can expect significant improvement in the latter as sample size increases. This would have been the more convincing, and statistically grounded, version of the tired "Romero and VdV" argument.

Except, including when Romero and VdV play, some strong indicators have been showing that we actually overperform. Data are slightly noisy, but from what I've gathered we're outperforming both our xG and xG against to some degree. At the moment we're 5th or 6th in xG, yet 2nd in goals scored. We're 16th or 17th in xG against, yet 13th in goals conceded. Last season wasn't much different either. We finished last season 14th in xG against, yet T-7th in goals conceded. We were 6th in xG, and 7th in goals scored. It's true that we were slightly underperforming in case of the latter, yet this was more than offset by how much we were overperforming in case of the former.

Naked eye confirms these numbers as well, as week after week we see how Vicario pulls us out of fire and how wasteful opponents are. Yet here we are, sitting at 13th with a possibility of dropping to 15th this weekend. I can't wrap my head around it.

This means that, as Ange stays in charge and we keep getting close to that magical sample size, our output will not get significantly better but will probably get even worse. Considering how bad things have already been, this is truly a scary thought.
 
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A league season, consisting of 38 matches at the moment, is not that perfect sample where how good teams are (a.k.a what underlying metrics are supposed to quantify) and what they have to show for it (in the form of points, goals scored etc.) will perfectly align. It was 42 back in the day, it might be less than 38 in the future. It's as arbitrary of a convention as using a bunch of best of 19s, 25s, 33s and a 35 to decide who the best snooker player of that given season is. You'll always have overperformers and underperformers due to that aforementioned imperfect alignment.

But, other things being equal, correlation between the aforementioned two variables will be expected to reach a perfect 1 as sample size increases. At a certain -practically unknown- point, you will no longer see any underperformers or overperformers. The best team will always win the league, while the 8th best will finish exactly 8th. Everybody'll end up with what they "deserve" basically. There's nothing groundbreaking about this.

This kind of an argument based on underachieving would have been the best one to make for Ange, if it was possible that is. You could have been pointing out how discrepant our underlying metrics and our output are, and how we can expect significant improvement in the latter as sample size increases. This would have been the more convincing, and statistically grounded, version of the tired "Romero and VdV" argument.

Except, including when Romero and VdV play, some strong indicators have been showing that we actually overperform. Data are slightly noisy, but from what I've gathered we're outperforming both our xG and xG against to some degree. At the moment we're 5th or 6th in xG, yet 2nd in goals scored. We're 16th or 17th in xG against, yet 13th in goals conceded. Last season wasn't much different either. We finished last season 14th in xG against, yet T-7th in goals conceded. We were 6th in xG, and 7th in goals scored. It's true that we were slightly underperforming in case of the latter, yet this was more than offset by how much we were overperforming in case of the former.

Naked eye confirms these numbers as well, as week after week we see how Vicario pulls us out of fire and how wasteful opponents are. Yet here we are, sitting at 13th with a possibility of dropping to 15th this weekend. I can't wrap my head around it.

This means that, as Ange stays in charge and we keep getting close to that magical sample size, our output will not get significantly better but will probably get even worse. Considering how bad things have already been, this is truly a scary thought.

I think you're missing a couple of key factors.

We are outperforming our xG, outperforming our xGA, yet underperforming our xPts. That's actually a pretty unusual combination; what does that mean? Lets look at those one at a time:

xG: we have 55 goals from 46.3 xG, ie over-performed by 8.7.
Insofar as shooting is a skill, but each individual shot has an element of luck, then we can say that this net gain of +8.7 goals is a combination of luck and skill. If you look at the underlying stats, we're ahead by a bit over 1 standard deviation, which means it's probably not just luck. Especially when you consider that we've beaten our xG for 5 seasons in a row. Our recruitment of goal-scorers is such that we actually expect to beat our xG each season.

xGA: we have conceded 41 goals from an xG of 47.4, ie over-performed by 6.4.
Insofar as goalkeeping is a skill (as well as blocking / pressuring by defenders), we can sat this this net gain of 6.4 goals against is a combination of luck and skill. Again looking at the underlying stats, we are ahead by about 1.8 standard deviations, which is enough to say that there is almost certainly a large component of skill in that number, ie Vicario is an elite shot-stopper.

xPts: we have collected 34 points vs an expected 38.4, ie under-performed by 4.4.
What does that mean? Well basically the Opta xPts calculation looks at the xG for and against of each game, and calculates the probability of win / draw / loss based on that xG, assuming average quality of strikers and average goalkeeping from both teams. If you take into account our excellent shooting and goalkeeping, the xPts would actually be 45.8 instead of 38.4.
So how can we underperform our xPts while simultaneously overperforming on shooting and goalkeeping? The answer is around luck / timing. In the games where we have under-performed our xG, or have conceded more goals than our xGA, it has almost invariably cost us points. And in the games where we have over-performed our xG, that was often just the difference between winning by 1 goal or winning by 2 or 3.

So in fact, as we get close to your "magical sample size", assuming we continue to employ better-than-average goal-scorers and better-than-average goalkeepers, we should expect to:
  1. Continue to out-perform our xG
  2. Continue to out-perform out xGA
  3. Due to (1) and (2), start to outperform our xPts
In fact that's finally started to happen in the last 5 games or so, particularly that recent run of 3 wins (Brentford, United, Ipswich) where we got 9 points from an xPts of 5.0. But before that, Newcastle away, Arse home, Brighton away, Palace away, Ipswich home, Chelsea home, Forest away, Wolves home, Arse away, Everton away, Leicester home, City home were all games that were close enough on xG to have a decent chance of collecting points, but where our finishing let us down (or opponent's finishing undid us). We had only really had comparable luck go in our favour in City away and Villa home prior to that recent run of 3.

Call it excuses, copium, whatever, but it's really just stats, and the stats suggest that things are likely to get better, not worse, as the sample size gets bigger.

As an aside: those much-referenced first 10 matches last season, 26 Pts, xPts (adjusted for shooting and keeping skill): 18.3. So swings and roundabouts, sometimes it works for you, sometimes against.
 
I think you're missing a couple of key factors.

We are outperforming our xG, outperforming our xGA, yet underperforming our xPts. That's actually a pretty unusual combination; what does that mean? Lets look at those one at a time:

xG: we have 55 goals from 46.3 xG, ie over-performed by 8.7.
Insofar as shooting is a skill, but each individual shot has an element of luck, then we can say that this net gain of +8.7 goals is a combination of luck and skill. If you look at the underlying stats, we're ahead by a bit over 1 standard deviation, which means it's probably not just luck. Especially when you consider that we've beaten our xG for 5 seasons in a row. Our recruitment of goal-scorers is such that we actually expect to beat our xG each season.

xGA: we have conceded 41 goals from an xG of 47.4, ie over-performed by 6.4.
Insofar as goalkeeping is a skill (as well as blocking / pressuring by defenders), we can sat this this net gain of 6.4 goals against is a combination of luck and skill. Again looking at the underlying stats, we are ahead by about 1.8 standard deviations, which is enough to say that there is almost certainly a large component of skill in that number, ie Vicario is an elite shot-stopper.

xPts: we have collected 34 points vs an expected 38.4, ie under-performed by 4.4.
What does that mean? Well basically the Opta xPts calculation looks at the xG for and against of each game, and calculates the probability of win / draw / loss based on that xG, assuming average quality of strikers and average goalkeeping from both teams. If you take into account our excellent shooting and goalkeeping, the xPts would actually be 45.8 instead of 38.4.
So how can we underperform our xPts while simultaneously overperforming on shooting and goalkeeping? The answer is around luck / timing. In the games where we have under-performed our xG, or have conceded more goals than our xGA, it has almost invariably cost us points. And in the games where we have over-performed our xG, that was often just the difference between winning by 1 goal or winning by 2 or 3.

So in fact, as we get close to your "magical sample size", assuming we continue to employ better-than-average goal-scorers and better-than-average goalkeepers, we should expect to:
  1. Continue to out-perform our xG
  2. Continue to out-perform out xGA
  3. Due to (1) and (2), start to outperform our xPts
In fact that's finally started to happen in the last 5 games or so, particularly that recent run of 3 wins (Brentford, United, Ipswich) where we got 9 points from an xPts of 5.0. But before that, Newcastle away, Arse home, Brighton away, Palace away, Ipswich home, Chelsea home, Forest away, Wolves home, Arse away, Everton away, Leicester home, City home were all games that were close enough on xG to have a decent chance of collecting points, but where our finishing let us down (or opponent's finishing undid us). We had only really had comparable luck go in our favour in City away and Villa home prior to that recent run of 3.

Call it excuses, copium, whatever, but it's really just stats, and the stats suggest that things are likely to get better, not worse, as the sample size gets bigger.

As an aside: those much-referenced first 10 matches last season, 26 Pts, xPts (adjusted for shooting and keeping skill): 18.3. So swings and roundabouts, sometimes it works for you, sometimes against.
Loving these stats on Expected stuff - if you think we will get better on those good on ya lad o7
 
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