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AFC Wimbledon is a professional English football club that traces its origins to Wimbledon in the London Borough of Merton. Based at Kingsmeadow, Kingston upon Thames, the club are members of Football League Two, the fourth tier of English football.

The club began in 2002 as a result of the Football Association's sanctioning of Wimbledon Football Club's relocation to Milton Keynes, the new town in Buckinghamshire. Wimbledon supporters opposed to this move reacted by founding their own side, AFC Wimbledon. In view of its transplanting to Milton Keynes, a large majority of Wimbledon fans felt that the original club no longer represented Wimbledon's legacy and tradition,[1] and thus withdrew their support, choosing instead to re-establish the club from scratch.

I'm just glad that I don't have to pay for West Ham's bid via my considerable Council Tax bill.
 
spooky said:
Dashmore - John Crace touches on that in his book about how Utd fans have changed since Fergie arrived and some of their fans don't even know what its like to truly suffer.

In a perverse way, all those horrible things that go into surviving Tottenham make us the self-deprecating fans we are. I don't think I could ever be comfortable with us winning 10 titles on the trot.

Like I said, if our next cycle brings silverware and we do so consistently for 5-10 years, I will bask in it and I wont complain when we fall back into normality again.

The new fans we pick up along the way will no doubt be similar to the ones with their 'Wenger Out' banners, beyond the Seven Sisters.

If I wanted to win 10 titles on the trot, I would of supported United growing up, everyone else in Ireland did (bandwagon cunts). The misery Tottenham piled on me during the 90s was akin to the worst kind of school yard bullying. All these twats with Berg and Cantona on their backs tearing me apart emotionally, goading me as to why I supported Tottenham, coercing me to join them 'you win all the time, it's great'.

I liken it to Obi-Wan. 'You can't win Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possible imagine'.

Supporting a team for me is not about winning. It's enduring, and fuck me has there been a lot of that. It's loving the shirt no matter what. I love the fact that we are on the cusp of top 4. I love the fact we have done it the right way. If we were to move from N17, then fuck it; let a Billionaire buy us. Move to the OS. Change the home kit to red. If that wins us trophies then.....
 
Babs said:
mdiver said:
If we move the name carries on but it isn't our Spurs anymore, no more than MK Dons are Wimbledon anymore.

it's not the same though is it, one moved about 40 miles north, the other is planning to move 5 miles south.


It is exactly the same, they moved from their home, that is the issue. It appears you simply don't get it, fair enough.

You don't have an issue and want to "compete", I want my club. We are different.
 
I moved home yet I'm the same person, clubs move 5 miles or more all the time yet retain their identity.

Football is a competitive endevour and you're either moving forwards or you're going backwards, the status quo you wish for is an illusion.

So, either get busy living or get busy dying because THFC will never be the same regardless of where they play.
 
THFC is an ever evolving beast, whether you like or not. So the people that want things to remain will be disappointed, even if the club builds the NPD there will still be a somewhat different demographic of fans and it'll smell different etc etc.

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Babs said:
I moved home yet I'm the same person, clubs move 5 miles or more all the time yet retain their identity.

Football is a competitive endevour and you're either moving forwards or you're going backwards, the status quo you wish for is an illusion.

So, either get busy living or get busy dying because THFC will never be the same regardless of where they play.

Yeah but Babs, you're not called Peter Harrow are you? No one gives a toss if you leave your area - in fact local parents are probably delighted.

The problem with football clubs is their names. If Spurs were just called Hotspur - or just Spurs - it would be less problematic. But being called Tottenham Hotspur and leaving Tottenham would have to involve a name change. Just like when the Dodgers et al upped sticks.
 
-17 no.

A steady start for the new batsman, needs to get his head down and push on to get the maiden half century.
 
Pilgrim said:
Babs said:
I moved home yet I'm the same person, clubs move 5 miles or more all the time yet retain their identity.

Football is a competitive endevour and you're either moving forwards or you're going backwards, the status quo you wish for is an illusion.

So, either get busy living or get busy dying because THFC will never be the same regardless of where they play.

Yeah but Babs, you're not called Peter Harrow are you? No one gives a toss if you leave your area - in fact local parents are probably delighted.

The problem with football clubs is their names. If Spurs were just called Hotspur - or just Spurs - it would be less problematic. But being called Tottenham Hotspur and leaving Tottenham would have to involve a name change. Just like when the Dodgers et al upped sticks.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet
 
dashmore said:
spooky said:
Dashmore - John Crace touches on that in his book about how Utd fans have changed since Fergie arrived and some of their fans don't even know what its like to truly suffer.

In a perverse way, all those horrible things that go into surviving Tottenham make us the self-deprecating fans we are. I don't think I could ever be comfortable with us winning 10 titles on the trot.

Like I said, if our next cycle brings silverware and we do so consistently for 5-10 years, I will bask in it and I wont complain when we fall back into normality again.

The new fans we pick up along the way will no doubt be similar to the ones with their 'Wenger Out' banners, beyond the Seven Sisters.

If I wanted to win 10 titles on the trot, I would of supported United growing up, everyone else in Ireland did (bandwagon cunts). The misery Tottenham piled on me during the 90s was akin to the worst kind of school yard bullying. All these twats with Berg and Cantona on their backs tearing me apart emotionally, goading me as to why I supported Tottenham, coercing me to join them 'you win all the time, it's great'.

I liken it to Obi-Wan. 'You can't win Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possible imagine'.

Supporting a team for me is not about winning. It's enduring, and fuck me has there been a lot of that. It's loving the shirt no matter what. I love the fact that we are on the cusp of top 4. I love the fact we have done it the right way. If we were to move from N17, then fuck it; let a Billionaire buy us. Move to the OS. Change the home kit to red. If that wins us trophies then.....

I liken supporting Spurs to the Delboy theory:

"This time next year we will be millionaires (finishing in the top 4, playing in CL, beat Woolwich, win home or away against the top 4, not lose to Wigan etc...) "

Now we've done most of that it seems a little hollow. Hence why albeit I was delighted we beat Woolwich, I didn't feel the same euphoria like I have done on previos occasions (see "ARRRRRAAAWWWWW WHAAATTT A GOOOOOOAAAAAL DANNY ROSE ON THIS PREMIER LEAGUE DEBUT" and the 4-4 at the Emershites)

Growing up in Croydon meant you had a fair few options on teams to support; the obvious choice was Palace as It was a stones throw away from both my Primary and Secondary school, UTD, Woolwich, Chelsea, occasionally Charlton but there were two Spurs fans in my year. TWO. And I was one of them. There were more Brentford fans at my school than Spurs....

I enjoyed the fact that the team I support was a niche; yeah of course I got a lot of stick (3-5 vs UTD for example, I didn't go to the playground that day and I spent it all in the cafeteria. I blame my podgey belly on that specific day) but I fucking loved it.
 
Babs said:
I moved home yet I'm the same person, clubs move 5 miles or more all the time yet retain their identity.

Football is a competitive endevour and you're either moving forwards or you're going backwards, the status quo you wish for is an illusion.

So, either get busy living or get busy dying because THFC will never be the same regardless of where they play.

Nobody really cares if you move, lets be honest, you don't have 36000 people round every other weekend chanting you name now do you?

Agreed football is a competitive endeavour. The difference between you and I is that you want to sell out to the corporate bullshit because you think that is the only way to be competitive. Mostly IMHO because you see the likes of Chelsea and City doing it. Well, I believe we can have success differently. I simply don't want to be another one of those heartless clubs, it has nothing to do with not wishing to move forward.

I am pretty busy living thanks and yes, I agree, it wont be the exact same once the NLD is done, but it will be a fuck site closer than moving to become the Stratford Hotspurs.

This isn't about moving forward or standing still, it isn't about wanting Spurs to be better or wanting them to just maintain their mediocrity of previous seasons, we all want Spurs to be successful and be able to celebrate stuffing the goons and chelscum week in week out. The only difference is what you and I are prepared to sacrifice for that.
 
it's precisely because I don't want to do a City or Chelsea.

All things being equal I'd rather stay and rebuild NPD, but it's not , moving to Stratford would give the club a big leg up without the need for a sugar daddy.

And if you think we haven't already sold out to the corporate bullshit then good luck with that, we were one of the first in fact when we put boxes in.
 
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