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Transfers The Summer Transfer Edging Thread 2025

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To each their own Bruv.

I can appreciate the artistry of the Studio Ghibli animation, some of it is quite stunning, but the pace, or lack thereof, of the stories just had me dozing off or completely losing interest.

One studio that my daughter got me interested in is Cartoon Saloon, from Ireland. If the Gibli artistry is your thing, check out the films from CS, like Song of the Sea, Wolfwalkers or The Secret of Kells. The artwork in them is breathtaking.

My daughter has been heavily influenced by CS. If you're interested, you can see her graduation animation short on YouTube, it's called "Guardian" and features a horse. I cried like a baby when I first watched it, it's absolutely beautiful.
 
He's never in the right place. And if it wasn't for his pressing, he's a 30m rotation player. He's good. He's not great. He's not going to turn into a prolific beast.
He's scored 38 goals in 161 Premier League appearances. it's about 9 goals per season, just like last season 9 Premier League goals. But because he's joined Spurs he's great, he's a Europa League cup winner, absolutely fantastic player!!
 
Thanks for posting them numbers. I'd argue that the 4 players on that list are our 4 most underrated players. They get no credit for their durability at all. Instead people will focus in their tired performances during a difficult run. Kulusevski is a good recent example. Phenomenal up until November until we picked up 10+ injuries and couldn't rest him throughout the entire festive period. His form totally fell off then yet people on here now judge him as that player who was clumsily giving the ball away in January. Not the player who was unplayable in October.

Same with Porro! All his best performances for us came after he got a rest! There is probably still people on here who think Spence is better!
Kulusevski isn't underrated at all, overrated if anything
 
Johnson had 2.9 xA last season to Bowen’s 7.63, a huge difference.
I suppose it depends on which company you go to for the stats and how they score the expected assists. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. The point I'm making though is that Bowen is seen as elite on here by some, when he's not really performing at an elite level if he's only marginally ahead of our own winger, who has been pilloried on here since he first joined.
And Bowen exceeded xG by 3 whereas Johnson matched xG because Bowen was adding value with his goals by mixing it up with shots outside of 15 yards..
Maybe. Don't get me wrong, I think Bowen is a very good player, I'm just trying to bring some perspective here. If he is this "elite" player that many claim him to be, stating that we should be dropping a cool £80M to get him, then why were these same people complaining about BJ' s price, which was half of that, when we're getting almost the same productivity? Don't you at least see the disparity in that thinking?
Johnson did better creative wise the season before but only scored 5 league goals .. Bowen can do both elements and does so consistently while being a hugely more impactful player on the ball.
He can, now he's matured somewhat. Johnson still has a way to go before we can truly compare like for like, as Bowen has 3 seasons of top flight on him. Bowen's start wasn't particularly scintillating, and he had a poor third season after a good second.
FBref comparison has Bowen in much higher percentiles for progressive carries, take ons, touches in opposition box etc.. this despite playing large parts of a season as a striker because West Ham didn’t have one so you’d expect him to be less involved.
You'd expect him to have less touches in the opposition box when playing as a striker? Really?
Brennan doesn’t match or better Bowen in anything other than off the ball movement.. he’s a worse striker of the ball, a worse dribbler, less creative on the ball.. I’ll accept the defensive gap might not be as big as thought but at every element of being a dangerous wide player Bowen is monumentally clear.
Sorry, whilst I agree he's a better dribbler and creator, "monumentally clear?" We'll have to agree to disagree there. Better yes, monumentally no.
Stats aren’t even needed here. Anyone can see the gap with their eyes. You may as well say Yamals stats are comparable.
No you wouldn't as they play in different leagues. Bowen and BJ are comparable for precisely the reason that they play in the same league.

Regardless, the whole point of my comparison was to show that Bowen is not this "elite" winger, worth £80M+, that he's made out to be on here. He might be better than BJ, but this narrative that "other than tap-in's BJ does nothing" is patently false, and shines a light on the unreliability of fan perceptions. Bowen is a better winger than BJ I can go along with, an elite, essentially World Class, winger I won't go along with.

It's got a little sidetracked, but my original purpose here was to highlight that fan take unreliability, which then brings us to Kudus. I've now seen West Ham fans saying he's a liability and get rid, whilst others don't want to sell him to us because it would destroy them to see him realise his potential with us. Some see a waster, some see a World class talent.

Unreliable. Same as the takes on him from fans on this board.

Personally, I'd be quite happy to take him, if the club has done its due diligence on his character. I couldn't care less what the price is. If we were able to unlock that talent properly then we'd have an absolutely awesome player on our hands.
 
...and Eriksen. (replacing players is not just those that brought in a fee..). Raya left a season before Toney, when Toney then got banned for half a season. I think it was only the first season they didn't lose anyone important
Eh, I mean Eriksen only made 11 grand total all comps appearances for them on a six-month deal. That he was brought in in the first place speaks to the way the operation has always been adding to that squad since joining the PL.

I just want to rewind back to your initial statement.

He's been keeping Brentford up on the lowest budget in the league whilst losing their best players regularly for several years now
Their best players during their first PL season were, in some order, Toney, Wissa, Mbuemo, Norgaard, Janelt, Ajer and Raya.

5 of those 7 remained regular starters for them this season.

In fact, the only players who made at least 12 starts for that team who are not still there are Toney, who they spent 23M on Kevin Schade to replace (moving Wissa to CF), Sergi Canos who between Wissa and Mbuemo's emergence and the purchase of Mikkel Damsgaard for 16M they didn't need anymore and sold off to Olympiacos, and Raya who they replaced for 11M with Mark Flekken, decided he wasn't good enough and now paid more for Caomhin Kelleher to replace.

Your bolded statement is wrong. Brentford gave Frank unusual stability in his squad for a lower half PL team, and quite well funded and of course very modern and intelligent recruitment to fill in and supplement that squad.

I don't know how that cuts in terms of arguing about Spurs, it really doesn't, it's just the truth, and feels important in terms of understanding Frank's Brentford.
 
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Not sure that RW is as desperate a situation as some make out. Johnson, Kulusevski, Odobert or even Tel.

If Sonny and Richy leave we will have Tel, Odobert, Moore on LW. Tel might even take Richy's spot at 2nd striker meaning LW is a gap to fill.
That’s really great choice. So many havecsaidvifcwecstart the season with a front 3 of tel Solanke and Johnson we are fucked. Even though that lot cost nearly £150M yet we still look poor in those positions. All 3 Ange signings btw. He truly fucked us with those signings and money spent.
 
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