Transfers The Summer Transfer Edging Thread 2025

LeParisien · 21 Jul 2025

Stephen D said:
So Marc Guéhi is a target?

There are two explanations. The links to Guehi, Zabarnyi, Lacroix and de Winter are all made up. Definitely possible. Strange to have so many links about centrebacks compared to other positions.

The alternative is that we are in for a centreback. All are high quality centrebacks with a proven record (mostly prem proven) and high upside. If that’s true, then why?

FightingIllini · 21 Jul 2025

Trotter said:
You are 100% wrong.

Certain parts of a contract are obviously adjustable, salaries, bonuses, contract lengths, release clauses etc, but the vast majority of every players contract are totally standard and cannot be adjusted (what players are prohibited from doing etc) including the fact that no part of a contract may be disclosed without agreement of both parties.
The standard contract template are a requirement from PL and aligned with clubs and PFA.

As I say this is not up for debate

Okay, so, Premier League handbook:

https://resources.premierleague.pulselive.com/premierleague/document/2025/04/11/12d05df7-ce74-43ac-9766-1f3c3594da74/TM1603-PL_Handbook-and-Collateral-2024-25_11.04.25_DIGITAL.pdf

You are referencing Rule T.10: "Save for any contracts entered into by a Promoted Club before it became a memberof the League which are in Form 11, contracts between Clubs and Players shall be in Form 12 (save with the permission of the Board)."

Form 12 can be viewed there, and as you note contains standard clauses on a variety of matters, including the confidentiality of the contract terms.

You will note that there is nothing there about release clauses. How can this be?

Simple, note Schedule 2, Section 14 on page 379 of the Handbook:

"14. Any other provisions: SEE ATTACHED"

That's where "The Club must accept any bid for the Player which exceeds 60M" goes. That is also where "The provisions of Section 16 - Confidentiality, do not apply to the terms of this Attachment" would go.

It can get much more complicated than that if the lawyers would like it to, but none of that in any way violates the PL rule about the contract form and is I'm sure done extensively, probably on mostly boring matters we wouldn't care about, all the time.

Spursidol · 21 Jul 2025

Trotter said:
I agree, but also a defence of “All the other 99 people in front of me were also speeding, you didn’t arrest them, so you can’t arrest me” doesn’t work.

View: https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1947395170863092108

so Mr 'Clean hands' you are negotiating a player's wages and trying to force the owning club to sell when it has told you it does not wish to

Your action to force MGW to stay is therefore struck out - you cannot demand standards for other clubs when behave in exactly the other way yourself

Hampshire Spur · 21 Jul 2025

FightingIllini said:
Cultured? The guy is Lusophone Vinnie Jones mate.

He pissed all over us when he played for fulham. Bayern signed him. Think he will do quite well for us. Our midfield needs improving imo.

Dr Rocktopus · 21 Jul 2025

spids said:
One interesting hypothetical angle to this … imagine if MGWs release clause only was activated if Forest did not qualify for the CL or EL, and the day we bid was the day they later got elevated to the EL (due to Palace’s owner issue). Is the release clause active or not?

I honestly don't care anymore. Either release a definitive statement or move on. We can't have this debacle messing up the transfer window.

Airfixx · 21 Jul 2025

Trotter said:
You are 100% wrong.

Certain parts of a contract are obviously adjustable, salaries, bonuses, contract lengths, release clauses, agents names etc, but the vast majority of every players contract are totally standard and cannot be adjusted (what is expected from both parties, what players are prohibited from doing etc) including the fact that no part of a contract may be disclosed without agreement of both parties.
The standard contract template are a requirement from PL and aligned with clubs and PFA.

As I say this is not up for debate

U new here? :porrohands:

Trotter · 21 Jul 2025

spids said:
One interesting hypothetical angle to this … imagine if MGWs release clause only was activated if Forest did not qualify for the CL or EL, and the day we bid was the day they later got elevated to the EL (due to Palace’s owner issue). Is the release clause active or not?

Who knows what it said. As you say just hypothetical, not worthy of discussing.

Spurs were obviously of opinion we met it
Forest are of opinion we didn’t (whether through not physically meeting It, or through an alleged breach of contract)
Anything else is just speculative and irrelevant.

SausageVince · 21 Jul 2025

Bring in guehi, send dragusin in the other direction as part of the deal (likely next week).
Complete MGW this week.
Paratici wants to move Solanke on, but Frank is putting his foot down.
Wharton wants a move to Liverpool next summer.

Let's hope Archie Gray has a breakthrough season for us in defensive midfield.

SausageVince · 21 Jul 2025

Trotter said:
You are 100% wrong.

Certain parts of a contract are obviously adjustable, salaries, bonuses, contract lengths, release clauses, agents names etc, but the vast majority of every players contract are totally standard and cannot be adjusted (what is expected from both parties, what players are prohibited from doing etc) including the fact that no part of a contract may be disclosed without agreement of both parties.
The standard contract template are a requirement from PL and aligned with clubs and PFA.

As I say this is not up for debate

You're unfamiliar with the law of contract, I see

Spursidol · 21 Jul 2025

Trotter said:
I think that is exactly what they are arguing, and also saying releasing that information has reduced his value. Again that is educated speculation, and I can’t pass any judgement on the validity of that.

I really just think the whole mess gets cleared up with 65 to 70 being the magic number over say 4 years.

You have failed to deal with the point that you are have currently negotiated a player's wages with a club who does not wish to sell to you at the price you offered.

Thsat means Notts Forest cannot go to court or legal prcess - as they do not have clean hands

Better to get ready to sell for the £60m release clause ...... as that is the only exit for Forest

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Spursidol · 21 Jul 2025

SausageVince said:
You're unfamiliar with the law of contract, I see

He's a complete bullshitter on contract law

Trotter · 21 Jul 2025

Spursidol said:
You have failed to deal with the point that you are have currently negotiated a player's wages with a club who does not wish to sell to you at the price you offered.

Thsat means Notts Forest cannot go to court or legal prcess - as they do not have clean hands

Better to get ready to sell for the £60m release clause ...... as that is the only exit for Forest

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What is to say they haven’t been given permission to talk to players agent, just haven’t agreed final terms with club yet ?

Do you think Brentford hadn’t given Man Utd permission to talk to Mbeumo for example ?

But as I have said all along, this won’t get that far anyway. Am very confident he will be our player, just not for 60m

SausageVince · 21 Jul 2025

Forest will never go to court over this. If the reporting around the player's wishes is correct, persistent legal action may undermine the validity of the football transfer system in the context of the intersection of employment and human rights laws. Neither Forest nor Spurs will allow that to happen.

Spursidol · 21 Jul 2025

Trotter said:
What is to say they haven’t been given permission to talk to players agent, just haven’t agreed final terms with club yet ?

Do you think Brentford hadn’t given Man Utd permission to talk to Mbeumo for example ?

But as I have said all along, this won’t get that far anyway. Am very confident he will be our player, just not for 60m

The club says they do not want to sell

Curiously similar to Forest - except even you have not denied the existence of a release clause.

SausageVince · 21 Jul 2025

Bosman 2.0, if you will

Spursidol · 21 Jul 2025

Forest have no way to force MGW to stay when an offer for the release clause has been met.

Regardless of any confidentiality clause.

The only thing happening now is Forest trying to find players firstly to replace Elanga (willingly sold by Forest) and now for MGW

FightingIllini · 21 Jul 2025

SausageVince said:
Forest will never go to court over this. If the reporting around the player's wishes is correct, persistent legal action may undermine the validity of the football transfer system in the context of the intersection of employment and human rights laws. Neither Forest nor Spurs will allow that to happen.

Middlesbrough win right to sue Liverpool over Ziege deal

As it says at the top, Middlesbrough have today won the right to re-open their £7m claim against Liverpool for... brrrrrrr, there's a real chill in the air today, isn't there.

www.theguardian.com

The Premier League won't want it to happen, but that doesn't mean it couldn't.

Confusius · 21 Jul 2025

Jaynola said:
And we bend over

Trotter · 21 Jul 2025

Spursidol said:
Forest have no way to force MGW to stay when an offer for the release clause has been met.

Regardless of any confidentiality clause.

The only thing happening now is Forest trying to find players firstly to replace Elanga (willingly sold by Forest) and now for MGW

In your opinion.

But we don’t know

A) if we did meet terms, not just value but structure and/or any other terms in clause.
B) if a breach of contract has happened, and to what extent that could nullify any clauses.

My opinion is if we had met a) but b) has happened, then it could be down to a tribunal to decide, but a settlement will happen before it gets that far.

The only previous precedent I can see to this is Ziege, where Liverpool were fined, Ziege was fined and Liverpool settled out of court by paying Middlesbrough the difference between market value and release clause. They probably had more proof than Forest do about market value as had other bids for player.

SH1M1 · 21 Jul 2025

Think we all need a new signing for our own sanity

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