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GinolasLeftFoot said:
The biggest issue, was that under Levy, there was not a single philosophy at the club.

This Spurs, this the way we play, that ran through the club from top to bottom, from youth to senior.

Levy just flip flopped from thing to the next, like a rudderless boat in a storm.

And the Frankenstein squad, is testimony to that chaos and constant lack of direction.

Any squad of any worth, has a min of two players for every position.

I don't think we had once under Levy, if we did the drop off was huge, or for short periods of time.

It was only a few seasons ago, we had to put 4 goal keepers on the Europe list as we was short of players...

It's insane.
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Eh?

We used to list the 2 club trained (Whiteman & Austin) lads as they were free slots.


Again; you're conflating numbers issues due to injuries as lack of depth......
 
GinolasLeftFoot said:
The biggest issue, was that under Levy, there was not a single philosophy at the club.

This Spurs, this the way we play, that ran through the club from top to bottom, from youth to senior.

Levy just flip flopped from thing to the next, like a rudderless boat in a storm.

And the Frankenstein squad, is testimony to that chaos and constant lack of direction.

Any squad of any worth, has a min of two players for every position.

I don't think we had once under Levy, if we did the drop off was huge, or for short periods of time.

It was only a few seasons ago, we had to put 4 goal keepers on the Europe list as we was short of players...

It's insane.
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I understand what you’re saying. I’m not a Levy fan but it wasn’t his job as chairman to create/maintain the “football philosophy” at the club. I also get that he desperately needed to be “hands on” so it’s not black and white.

I personally think the top level on the football side of things has really killed us in the past decade or more. DOF, head of recruitment, scouting, youth etc. which I’m sure Levy contributed/meddled massively.

The fact that we haven’t produced any good youth products over the past decade is my major concern. Since Kane we have KWP. Who else is there? The other top teams in the premier league have quite a few young players they’ve let go and regretted it. Do we even have any of those? Marcus Edwards who is the only player I can think of and it’s scraping it slightly.
 
Rafa’sWand said:
I understand what you’re saying. I’m not a Levy fan but it wasn’t his job as chairman to create/maintain the “football philosophy” at the club. I also get that he desperately needed to be “hands on” so it’s not black and white.

I personally think the top level on the football side of things has really killed us in the past decade or more. DOF, head of recruitment, scouting, youth etc. which I’m sure Levy contributed/meddled massively.

The fact that we haven’t produced any good youth products over the past decade is my major concern. Since Kane we have KWP. Who else is there? The other top teams in the premier league have quite a few young players they’ve let go and regretted it. Do we even have any of those? Marcus Edwards who is the only player I can think of and it’s scraping it slightly.
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You're right, it wasn't his job, but that's exactly what he did, when he flip flopped between styles of managers, going from the likes of attacking Poch to defensive negative Mourinho.
 
GinolasLeftFoot said:
You're right, it wasn't his job, but that's exactly what he did, when he flip flopped between styles of managers, going from the likes of attacking Poch to defensive negative Mourinho.
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Whenever I type here on phone I write an essay and then it refreshes and I lose it all😅i agree, but bringing in Jose after long term Poch makes sense in a way bringing in a manager with “presence” and maybe make us attractive to players in the market. It’s upstairs from the manager where things have gone wrong. Good transfers from last 5 -10 years?
 
Airfixx said:
We have 6 CBs in the squad FFS! .......If 4 (!!!!!!!!) of them weren't already injured we could rotate without dumping kids into the meat-grinder or a "thrown" cup-tie.

Pretending we don't have any players available to play LW in a "thrown" fixture is bogus too.... We have a bunch of LWs... The problem is no outright #1. Throwing some kid to the wolves is ok (in your book); but we can't try and usher (eg) Tel along by playing him there in a cup tie (that you're indifferent to anyway).... "Cos Levy"?

That logic is contorted as hell!


We have a big squad....... Levy isn't the all-purpose, boogie-man rent-a-villain.
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Great we have big squad... But not the balance it needs.

No point having big squad, if it's a fecking mess of one, full of mediocrity and players who should really be moved on.

And that is entirely on Levy.

It's no different to saying Levy spent, the ignoring the fact he spent it on a lot of shit.

Yeah, we got a big squad, full of mediocrity, a lack of depth in certain areas, and to many players that fit the same mould.

It's a fecking mess

And it's all on levy, as the was no structure to purchases.

We had three fecking RB/LB, ones now injured, and Djed can do a job, but it is causing issues, like cutting in, his attacking presence is such a downgrade to when he's playing on the right.

So yeah, your right, we do have big squad, but to much of it shit and not what we need.
 
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Rafa’sWand said:
Whenever I type here on phone I write an essay and then it refreshes and I lose it all😅i agree, but bringing in Jose after long term Poch makes sense in a way bringing in a manager with “presence” and maybe make us attractive to players in the market. It’s upstairs from the manager where things have gone wrong. Good transfers from last 5 -10 years?
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Why bring in defensive manager, with a team built around attack football?

No Mourinho was a Levy ego trip thinking he knew best, then never really backed him, sacked him a week before a cup final.

Then Ultimately ending up with Conti, leaving him with Dier as a fecking CB.

If levy was smart, he should got a manager with an attacking philosophy, to pick up from where Poch left us, taking another step forward.

Just rudderless chaos.
 
Airfixx said:
We have 6 CBs in the squad FFS! .......If 4 (!!!!!!!!) of them weren't already injured we could rotate without dumping kids into the meat-grinder or a "thrown" cup-tie.

Pretending we don't have any players available to play LW in a "thrown" fixture is bogus too.... We have a bunch of LWs... The problem is no outright #1. Throwing some kid to the wolves is ok (in your book); but we can't try and usher (eg) Tel along by playing him there in a cup tie (that you're indifferent to anyway).... "Cos Levy"?

That logic is contorted as hell!


We have a big squad....... Levy isn't the all-purpose, boogie-man rent-a-villain.
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Any chance you can post some of the Tuesday stuff to me?😬
 
GinolasLeftFoot said:
Why bring in defensive manager, with a team built around attack football?

No Mourinho was a Levy ego trip thinking he knew best, then never really backed him, sacked him a week before a cup final.

Then Ultimately ending up with Conti, leaving him with Dier as a fecking CB.

If levy was smart, he should got a manager with an attacking philosophy, to pick up from where Poch left us, taking another step forward.

Just rudderless chaos.
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That’s the point with our managers. They’ve never felt like they’ve ever been backed and been allowed to bring in all the players they want. We’ve acted like a mid table team for years. Hopefully this changes in January and Frank is allowed to get rid of the guys he doesn’t want (even on the cheap) and bring in some quality he wants. I doubt he’d be green lighting over £100m on Solanke and Johnson.
 
Rafa’sWand said:
That’s the point with our managers. They’ve never felt like they’ve ever been backed and been allowed to bring in all the players they want. We’ve acted like a mid table team for years. Hopefully this changes in January and Frank is allowed to get rid of the guys he doesn’t want (even on the cheap) and bring in some quality he wants. I doubt he’d be green lighting over £100m on Solanke and Johnson.
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January I think we will address the really important bits.

But next summer will be the one the future shape starts to take place.
 
GinolasLeftFoot said:
The biggest issue, was that under Levy, there was not a single philosophy at the club.

This Spurs, this the way we play, that ran through the club from top to bottom, from youth to senior.
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So do you think that right now the youth should have a huge emphasis on set pieces and long throws?

Bypsssing the midfield whenever possible?

The current premier league meta.


That to you would be a sensible approach to coach our youngsters of 12 -15 years old as we would be copying the first teams strategic approach to games.


And then people will wonder why in a few years we have no technical players and a lot of players who are all quite tall.
 
bus-conductor said:
He has had a whole pre season. It would be seriously impressive if our possession and attacking structures were halfway good as well as being defensively well structured. It's hardly genius to get a team bus parked, diving around making desperate blocks all over the place (especially against the likes of Leeds and Everton).

This time last year under "clueless" Ange we had an XGA of 9.69 and we'd played Newcastle away, Woolwich, Brighton away, ManU away, Palace away. And our XG was 19. It's currently (XGA) 10.70 and the only real tough game we've had is ManC away, we've played 6 of the bottom 8. Our XG is 11.25.

I'm not expecting miracles, or for us to become a great team suddenly, this group of personnel is individually deeply flawed. But this whole "he's worked miracles" is a bit bogus. He's doing a middling job. XPTS has us 11th, and on performances I reckon that would be about right.

Our midfield and forward play is non existent. Literally non existent. We are creating absolutely fuck all in open play. Our midfield create nothing - and fuck knows why he is constantly insisting on playing with a 10/ACM when it clearly isn't working.

As I said, I'm not expecting miracles, and I don't think we are seeing them. We are seeing compromises. We are seeing pragmatism. That's OK, especially after such a short time, but let's just call it what it is. And let's just hope he can expand it and scale it up into something more than we saw at Brentford.
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Now do the same stats but for xg and xga against us.
 
WillWilliams said:
Yeah it’s very easy to turn off the telly and play a nice game of trivial pursuit. Or just do a load of class A drugs. Possibilities are endless. You’re sort of stuck in the ground to deal with the shit you’re seeing unfold.
Probably a form of trauma.

It’s the journey home after losing that always seems to take twice as long.

I salute all the people who go week in week out home and away.
The true heroes / masochists!!
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Couldn't even give tickets away for much of the last 18 months too.
So you're trudging all the way there just because you sort of have to.
 
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