Our last manager picked a fight with our fans as well.
It almost we have a bunch of cunts supporting this club or something...
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Our last manager picked a fight with our fans as well.
It almost we have a bunch of cunts supporting this club or something...
I like Frank as he seems a nice fella but this won’t work. Why is there even a debate that we should give him the season or let him build. It’s too big for him.
Im not one of these fans that thinks we should never lose to a club like Fulham or Bournemouth because that’s what happens in football. My issue is in 6 home league games we’ve performed well once and that was in the first game against Burnley. Against Bournemouth,Wolves,Chelsea,Man Utd and now Fulham we have not seen any resemblance of improvement,no actual pattern to how we are play and don’t ever look like we are going to create or score. We have been bored out our minds and it’s now became toxic already in the stadium and let’s be honest no manager comes back from that. The boos were worse last night than any time under Ange.
If you break down our away form and performances we have got results but we’ve never been free flowing.
Against City we rode our luck early. At West Ham we weathered a mini storm from them then took control after they went down to 10 men. At Brighton we played well second half but lucky to be only 2-0 down before we got a goal before half time. Leeds away was decent and I thought that was a turning point. Everton was comfortable. Woolwich was an utter disgrace.
I’ve not even mentioned our champions league performances because only against Copenhagen have we played well. We have played 21 competitive ganes since Thomas took over and there’s nothing to see in terms of improvement. It’s actually got worse from last season. We looked better defensively at the start but that’s completely gone out of the window.
How can we continue with this? We are going to be a bottom half team this season at this rate. Why people think we should stick with someone hoping he can turn it around when there aren’t even glimpses that he can.
Backing him with money in January would be dumb as fuck and that is exactly what I expect this club to do.
I for one can’t keep making 15 hour round trips home games to watch the most boring football I’ve ever seen from a Tottenham team. It has to change until we get it right.
Im not one of these fans that thinks we should never lose to a club like Fulham or Bournemouth because that’s what happens in football. My issue is in 6 home league games we’ve performed well once and that was in the first game against Burnley. Against Bournemouth,Wolves,Chelsea,Man Utd and now Fulham we have not seen any resemblance of improvement,no actual pattern to how we are play and don’t ever look like we are going to create or score. We have been bored out our minds and it’s now became toxic already in the stadium and let’s be honest no manager comes back from that. The boos were worse last night than any time under Ange.
If you break down our away form and performances we have got results but we’ve never been free flowing.
Against City we rode our luck early. At West Ham we weathered a mini storm from them then took control after they went down to 10 men. At Brighton we played well second half but lucky to be only 2-0 down before we got a goal before half time. Leeds away was decent and I thought that was a turning point. Everton was comfortable. Woolwich was an utter disgrace.
I’ve not even mentioned our champions league performances because only against Copenhagen have we played well. We have played 21 competitive ganes since Thomas took over and there’s nothing to see in terms of improvement. It’s actually got worse from last season. We looked better defensively at the start but that’s completely gone out of the window.
How can we continue with this? We are going to be a bottom half team this season at this rate. Why people think we should stick with someone hoping he can turn it around when there aren’t even glimpses that he can.
Backing him with money in January would be dumb as fuck and that is exactly what I expect this club to do.
I for one can’t keep making 15 hour round trips home games to watch the most boring football I’ve ever seen from a Tottenham team. It has to change until we get it right.
I would boo Vicario if I was on the stadium too. He’s always yelling at someone when we concede, yet, when he makes mistakes, we should get behind him? Fuck him, I have a lot of time for players that are behaving well, but that cunt makes my blood boil with his reactions and blaming everyone but himself.
This is spot on. We have some absolute lower league shitters that are poor at football - Paulina, Tel, Richy, Johnson, poss Danso, Vicario, Bentacur. Can’t take it under pressure, sloppy control, lack basic ability and bravery. If I was manager I would instantly banish them - no place at a big club.
Shocking footballers.
I would take Devine and Donley over these frauds for the rest of the season 100%
Yeah probably not the best thing to do, it literally achieves the square root of 0.
Does anyone wonder why our defenders didn't cover the goal line when Vic went wondring, its absolutely basic stuff that one of your defenders becomes the keeper when he goes venturing out yet those idiots left the goal wide open, why?
The goal was do preventable on many accounts, not only from Vic's POV but as a team.
Sunderland or Brentford don't have better footballers than us, our players are not that bad, this is an exaggeration - this coach isn't getting anywhere near the best out of them.
Said this before: Endlessly denigrating the squad to shield Frank is a dangerous game, a slippery slope whose logical conclusion would be to commit to a kind of revisionism regarding last season and the previous manager as well. Do it at your risk.
Focusing specifically on Solanke, Son, Maddison and Kulusevski would be the obvious cop-out since they were mostly available last season unlike this season, but then none of these guys were held in that high of a regard. Son was washed, Maddison was a fairweather player, Kulusevski was a one footed plodder, and Solanke was just running around a bit.
So their absences can't be that bad.
Hint: There's an easy way out of this ostensible conundrum, which is to simply acknowledge that Frank is also not doing a good job. But if you, instead of staying grounded in your support and belief initially, have already chosen him as your hill to die on for God knows why, then you cannot really back out now without losing face.
Some people, and maybe the same people in some cases, went through the exact same thing 12 months ago; and chose to escalate their commitment to the manager at the expense of embarrassing themselves further.
Focusing specifically on Solanke, Son, Maddison and Kulusevski would be the obvious cop-out since they were mostly available last season unlike this season, but then none of these guys were held in that high of a regard. Son was washed, Maddison was a fairweather player, Kulusevski was a one footed plodder, and Solanke was just running around a bit.
So their absences can't be that bad.
Hint: There's an easy way out of this ostensible conundrum, which is to simply acknowledge that Frank is also not doing a good job. But if you, instead of staying grounded in your support and belief initially, have already chosen him as your hill to die on for God knows why, then you cannot really back out now without losing face.
Some people, and maybe the same people in some cases, went through the exact same thing 12 months ago; and chose to escalate their commitment to the manager at the expense of embarrassing themselves further.
Both under pressure and dealing with it in a bad way.
I agree but my point is some of these players are so bad at certain aspects of the game that it’s impossible to control a game and play football. That lot are awful and debilitating
We have some serious players too that are excellent, but they are held back by the god awful, aforementioned relegation scrappers
Pretty much every single player you just listed starts for Fulham, palinha was literally their best player ffs. Donley can’t get a minute at Stoke…you don’t have a clue.
This isn’t a player issue us not being able to beat wolves or Fulham at home.
First big test for the Levy-less board.
If Frank has nobody talking give him time, then a new manager is already being considered.
It happens.
If Frank has nobody talking give him time, then a new manager is already being considered.
It happens.
Yeah it was Porro, he could have easily got into the goalkeepers position and hoofed that shot into touch. It shows where we are as a team, your teammate makes a mistake and you don't do anything to help him out. It's a must if a keeper goes awol the nearest player to the goal gets into position to clear the type of shot that Fulham scored from. Even I knew that when I was ten years old playing football with jumpers for goalposts in the park.
Nope, they aren’t. It's nonsense.
It comes from confidence and messaging. Respect, patterns of play.
It comes from what a manager and his team bring to the table.
Look at Liverpool. Don't tell me they are suddenly bad players.
It's simply not working out as many of us thought it would.
The gaffer is a non-believe of goal scored outside the box. So it's likely he didn't coach that defensive side into the players. Naturally as long as the ball is outside the area, there wouldn't be a sense of emergency to stay defensive.
They thought everyone thinks like them lol. Richy probably got fined for scoring the worldie against the scum.
As a club we’ve got too used to losing , especially at home . The place is toxic and players , fans and manager are miserable . I wanted to give Frank a chance but he’s just not a spurs manager and once the disconnect is there , it’s almost impossible to get it back . He is AVB with kudus instead of Bale . The problem is - I genuinely don’t know who replaces him , I’d like to think the board are searching for someone new and putting the feelers out but I wouldn’t guarantee it . As for the players what an inconsistent gutless bunch they are . Devoid of guile , heart , simple passing . Last night aside from VDV I can’t honestly tell you I saw premier league quality players . Did Gray touch the ball , why did Udogie keep passing it to Fulham players , did kudus continuously run the ball out of play or delay his cross cos he doesn’t look up , did bentancur find a white shirt , where was Richarlison mean to be playing , there was so much wrong and the worry is , we can’t do the simple things right .
Lange knows him from their time working at the same place for some team in Denmark.
Yep, it has surprised me how bad we’ve been going forward. But Damsgaard, Wissa and Mbuemo are better than anything we have at the club in attack.
I just can’t get away from how bad the players’ decision making is though. It’s like they need their hands held all game.
Spot on mate. Spot on.
Yeah, this is the biggest issue he has. The team clearly services very little confidence from him and at a club like ours that ingredient is vital, and arguably the most important in getting us to tick. Certainly initially. But there's none of that here, coupled with the lack of respect shown by Spence and VDV (no mistake that's what it was, as I said at the time it would never happen with Conte) and the players doing their own Huddersfield before half time team talk yesterday, it's pretty damning.
As for Liverpool, can't underplay the Jota effect (impossible to quantify) and their two most valuable players seemingly, finally hitting a wall at the same time. But I your general point still stands
He’s a stat nerd and he’s not accounting for the fact that top level footballers have the quality to hurt you.