There is no way those stats are after MW16 last season.
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Those were our numbers after Match Week 16?
How did we not go to win the league with a recorded points total?!ANGE OUT
I was just responding to an erroneous statement by making a factually accurate point. Nothing more.
Unless you can conclusively show how the weakening of the frontline has been hurting our defense, simply pointing it out should no longer evoke any sympathy for Frank.
Since mid-September we, with a virtually fully intact defensive line, have been conceding like Ange did with Forster at goal and Dragusin & Davies as his centre backs. What does that have to do with Kulusevski and Son and Maddison?
A good amount of people are stuck in this alternative reality where, in line with our pre-season expectations, we are rock solid defensively but struggle to score because we've lost so much attacking firepower. Meanwhile, in actual reality that hasn't aligned one bit with our earlier expectations thus far, we're actually scoring well but cannot stop leaking goals on the other end.
I can certainly live with being T-6th in goals scored with the players we -don't- have. I cannot live with conceding 20 in the last 12 league games though, with another team possibly putting 3 or 4 past us in a few days to make those numbers look even worse.
Since mid-September we, with a virtually fully intact defensive line, have been conceding like Ange did with Forster at goal and Dragusin & Davies as his centre backs. What does that have to do with Kulusevski and Son and Maddison?
A good amount of people are stuck in this alternative reality where, in line with our pre-season expectations, we are rock solid defensively but struggle to score because we've lost so much attacking firepower. Meanwhile, in actual reality that hasn't aligned one bit with our earlier expectations thus far, we're actually scoring well but cannot stop leaking goals on the other end.
I can certainly live with being T-6th in goals scored with the players we -don't- have. I cannot live with conceding 20 in the last 12 league games though, with another team possibly putting 3 or 4 past us in a few days to make those numbers look even worse.
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Those were our numbers after Match Week 16?
ANGE OUT
I believe that was all comps. I didn’t push AI too hard for clarity. Could be all made up tbh.
However I do know that the majority of our goals and assists last season came from 5 forwards who have played next to no minutes for Spurs this season.
So there’s probably truth there somewhere.
The Maths is mathing.
And my maths skills were once described as erratic by my GSCE teacher.
I famously once tried to perform Algebra Cadabra at a school magic show.
I’m also dyslexic.
Thing is, our current level of goalscoring is unsustainable, which is even more worrying. On paper it looks OK that we're the 6th top goalscoring team, but a fair few of those were freakish worldies and not sustainable - we're the biggest overperformers in the league relative to the quality of chances we create. Meanwhile in about 30-40% of our games we're creating practically zero.
If our goalscoring continues to regresses to the mean, we're gonna really be in trouble as then we're not really effective at anything. Frank's gotta find a solution in the next few weeks or he's gonna get axed.
Never trust AI
But the point is a good one. We have lost a hell of a lot goals/assists from injury
It’s funny how when we lose he says it’s all broken and not a Wii k fix. When we win like the other week it’s all about we developing our play through the diff phases he keeps going on about. Saying we wanted to work on phase one first and now that we have won 2 games on the spin we are working on phase 3. It’s all BS of the highest order. Like when he said remember this team came 17th last season. Don’t think he mentions that after we win a game. Don’t think he even mentions we actually won a euro trophy.
He did once, and said the last manager who won a trophy got sacked so he doesn't want to make that mistake haha.
That is one of the most dumbest things to say as a top level PL manager / coach.
I think what we want to see is in games like Sparta where 3-0 up bring a Barnett-William, scarlet etc. give then some minutes. Obvs we ain’t got many youngsters as they are all on loan. I’d bring back donley in Jan just to give us numbers especially with Sarr gone.
He said what was on his mind. I've heard dumber things...but even I could tell that forest game was abysmal...
Our defensive setup is crap. All season going back to Bmouth game we cough up gilt edged chances abd creat me f all ourselves. I mean bodo missed some absolute sitters same with Monaco’. Just a couple of examples. Wolves completely controlled us 2nd half.
Funny how all that time biz is forgotten after we have won a game.
It's extremely worrying that Frank is throwing out similar stats to Ange, while Anges defense was devastated, with Dragusins, Davies and Gray featuring at the back on a regular basis.
Meanwhile Frank, a manager who is supposedly renowned for organised defensive setup has most of his first choice back five and can do no better.
In my opinion no one player has improved under Frank, Rich's stats are better, but he is playing more often under Frank as he is fit. More worryingly players like Bergvail are arguably regressing under his ultra safe approach.
Ange was not the answer long term, I don't think Frank is either and it is only the lack of a available candidates to replace him that is possibly saving his bacon. A further bad defeat at the hands of Pool might not prevent this saving him though.
Meanwhile Frank, a manager who is supposedly renowned for organised defensive setup has most of his first choice back five and can do no better.
In my opinion no one player has improved under Frank, Rich's stats are better, but he is playing more often under Frank as he is fit. More worryingly players like Bergvail are arguably regressing under his ultra safe approach.
Ange was not the answer long term, I don't think Frank is either and it is only the lack of a available candidates to replace him that is possibly saving his bacon. A further bad defeat at the hands of Pool might not prevent this saving him though.
I tend to agree that the defense is worse under Frank. Whereas under Ange, Spurs would always dominate the possession stats (almost 70% vs Arse for instance); Under Frank Spurs surrender the ball and don't press aggressively to get it back.
Son, Kulu and Johnson were all very effective at getting back and defending. However, Adama Traore v2 (Kudus) is very poor out of possession, and favors waiting in space for Spurs to get the ball back, rather than anticipating - He is a classic ball watcher; reactive, not pro active. Odobert offered next to nothing (in both attack and defense) and Kolo has certainly been an improvement in that area.
Our weakness on the wings forces our central midfielders out wide and as a result we have acres of space in the middle, making things very easy for the other team.
24 games into the season and Frank still doesn't know what formation he wants to play, and what his best players are. We don't see a clear style of play (aside from Hoof it).
Under Ange, at least we saw a clear vision of how he wanted the team to play - and it was more often than not individual errors that led to losses.
Under Frank we are losing as a collective team - being outplayed.
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We have Muani too, just that Frank is too dumb to use him but chose Richy. We only had Solanke and an ineffective Son at forward last season. At least I knew Scarlett had chances last season. This season he should ask for a move because Frank is too timid to use him.
Anyway, the metrics don't look good and many had replied to you as well. Let's keep Frank and we shall see, lol.
If you are coaching a team for more than twenty games that cannot muster more than one shot on target in 90 minutes you need to go. It’s that simple.
He said the game was over on 50 minutes!!!!!
WTF mentality is that……..
Did poch think that in Amsterdam after 57 minutes and us three down……..
Get him the F out now!
He said the game was over on 50 minutes!!!!!
WTF mentality is that……..
Did poch think that in Amsterdam after 57 minutes and us three down……..
Get him the F out now!
Agree with most of this but That arse game was in the famous 1st 10 games. We got figured out fairly quick. Also in a lot of games we had a lot of possesion and went nowhere once we were figured. Ange pressed so much players are still paying the price.
Also under no circumstances has johnson been good at getting back and defending. Ball watching, jogging back, players running off him are all his traits. Even sonny wasnt brilliant at.
Tons of individual errors under frank and ange. Ange's system led to a lot of defeats