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So what i'm hearing is Ange wasn't responsible for the EL win, the players were, but Ange was to blame for us finishing 17th and the players weren't , is that right? Surely both can't be True! :angesmile2:

I get this is the TF thread and as I have said before i'm glad he is here now, and i'm fully behind him! ( :adegrin:)

But is it so hard to even give Ange a tiny bit of Credit for giving us one of the best nights as a Spurs fan that we have had in years? :angecup:
 
Fattynomates said:
So what i'm hearing is Ange wasn't responsible for the EL win, the players were, but Ange was to blame for us finishing 17th and the players weren't , is that right? Surely both can't be True! :angesmile2:

I get this is the TF thread and as I have said before i'm glad he is here now, and i'm fully behind him! ( :adegrin:)

But is it so hard to even give Ange a tiny bit of Credit for giving us one of the best nights as a Spurs fan that we have had in years? :angecup:
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Ange has every right to claim the EL along with the players, he is also responsible for finish 17th along with the players.

He clearly is a good motivator for one off games but doesn’t have the tactics for this league. In the end it’s good we hired him and good we sacked him.
 
Fattynomates said:
So what i'm hearing is Ange wasn't responsible for the EL win, the players were, but Ange was to blame for us finishing 17th and the players weren't , is that right? Surely both can't be True! :angesmile2:

I get this is the TF thread and as I have said before i'm glad he is here now, and i'm fully behind him! ( :adegrin:)

But is it so hard to even give Ange a tiny bit of Credit for giving us one of the best nights as a Spurs fan that we have had in years? :angecup:
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I agree with you he deserves some credit. I've never posted otherwise.

It does have to be seen in context though - the standard of competition in that EL was poor. We were dominated in the second half by the worst Man U team for 50 odd years. That is not exaggeration. But yes, Ange clearly had an affinity with the players. They liked him. He could deliver an "up and at em" speech and get them gee'd up for it.
 
Tomo said:
He clearly is a good motivator for one off games but doesn’t have the tactics for this league. In the end it’s good we hired him and good we sacked him.
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See if Levy was smart he would have bought TF in for the tactics and to manage the team , and Kept Ange as a director of football to give speeches before games!
Think About It GIF by Identity
 
Mrs Perryman said:
robert de niro compliment GIF
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Nah, your post was balanced cause it leaves some space for discussion and comparisions i.e. what Frank does better than Postecoglou (or worse). Same applies to other previous managers.

There are others that want to prevent writing anything about Ange, even in his thread. And since its forum and writing about Postecoglou is not against any forum rules, i just dont like that.

To avoid being completely offtopic: Hope Frank will use international break well to prepare tactics for next wave of games. Cause schedule will be much more difficult this time.
 
Fattynomates said:
So what i'm hearing is Ange wasn't responsible for the EL win, the players were, but Ange was to blame for us finishing 17th and the players weren't , is that right? Surely both can't be True! :angesmile2:

I get this is the TF thread and as I have said before i'm glad he is here now, and i'm fully behind him! ( :adegrin:)

But is it so hard to even give Ange a tiny bit of Credit for giving us one of the best nights as a Spurs fan that we have had in years? :angecup:
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Get your facts straight mate.

Ange caused the global financial crash in the 2000s and pretty sure he was solely responsible for the fall of the Roman Empire.
 
Fattynomates said:
So what i'm hearing is Ange wasn't responsible for the EL win, the players were, but Ange was to blame for us finishing 17th and the players weren't , is that right? Surely both can't be True! :angesmile2:

I get this is the TF thread and as I have said before i'm glad he is here now, and i'm fully behind him! ( :adegrin:)

But is it so hard to even give Ange a tiny bit of Credit for giving us one of the best nights as a Spurs fan that we have had in years? :angecup:
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Black or white it is!!

No Way Smh GIF by MOODMAN
 
Doing really well with what he has, top job so far if you ask me.

We lack a central passer in midfield so he's getting Porro and Romero to be the playmakers and provide the creativity and purposely bypassing the midfield, there are shouts that he should move away from the Ben/Pal duo and I agree we don't need it in games we need to dominate but you can argue that it's providing defensive solidity in midfield

We're down 50 G/A from last season in the Prem with our injured players and Son left and we don't have a proper LW or a competent striker yet he's still finding ways for us to score goals, 1 loss in 10 in all comps for a team who was being battered last season is a very good turnaround.

It ain't pretty at the moment but there's a method to his madness, let him cook.

All those people shouting for him to be sacked (because there has been some of you especially during the Bodo match) and those simpletons wishing for Iraola and Glasner ignoring the fact they'd be facing exactly the same issue as Frank is (yet he's facing yet managing the extra workload of European football) can do one.

I watch other clubs in this league and probably only 2/3 teams can claim that they're putting together consistent performances and getting results (Bournemouth, Palace, Woolwich) and yet people expect the same from a manager with a load of goals missing from the team in his 3rd month, please come back to reality.
 
Shadydan said:
Doing really well with what he has, top job so far if you ask me.

We lack a central passer in midfield so he's getting Porro and Romero to be the playmakers and provide the creativity, there are shouts that he should move away from the Ben/Pal duo and I agree we don't need it in games we need to dominate but you can argue that it's providing defensive solidity in midfield

We're down 50 G/A from last season in the Prem with our injured players and Son left and we don't have a proper LW or a competent striker yet he's still finding ways for us to score goals, 1 loss in 10 in all comps for a team who was being battered last season is a very good turnaround.

It ain't pretty at the moment but there's a method to his madness, let him cook.

All those people shouting for him to be sacked (because there has been some of you especially during the Bodo match) and those simpletons wishing for Iraola and Glasner ignoring the fact they'd be facing exactly the same issue as Frank is (yet he's facing yet managing the extra workload of European football) can do one
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100% spot on. He's made us much more solid (results don't lie), and our attack will gradually improve. It doesn't need to be pretty right now.

Get him a proper left-winger and a finisher. Sell Richarlison. We'll be cooking on gas.
 
Fattynomates said:
So what i'm hearing is Ange wasn't responsible for the EL win, the players were, but Ange was to blame for us finishing 17th and the players weren't , is that right? Surely both can't be True! :angesmile2:

I get this is the TF thread and as I have said before i'm glad he is here now, and i'm fully behind him! ( :adegrin:)

But is it so hard to even give Ange a tiny bit of Credit for giving us one of the best nights as a Spurs fan that we have had in years? :angecup:
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Your wasting your breath... I will always acknowledge his contribution to both the Europa win and the dismal league placing... when we are all gone, the records will show that 3 managers have won a European trophy for Spurs and one of them is Ange.
 
manmountainbutters said:
I agree with you he deserves some credit. I've never posted otherwise.

It does have to be seen in context though - the standard of competition in that EL was poor. We were dominated in the second half by the worst Man U team for 50 odd years. That is not exaggeration. But yes, Ange clearly had an affinity with the players. They liked him. He could deliver an "up and at em" speech and get them gee'd up for it.
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So poor that Frankfurt, Bodo, Bilbao, Olympiacos, Galatasaray, Salvia Prague are all in the Champions League group stage... I am baffled as to why our own fans want to belittle our achievements when we have achieved fuck all since 2008.
 
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Your wasting your breath... I will always acknowledge his contribution to both the Europa win and the dismal league placing... when we are all gone, the records will show that 3 managers have won a European trophy for Spurs and one of them is Ange.
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The records will also show that two of the three European trophies Spurs have won no longer exist in 2025.

I also strongly suspect that the Europa League trophy Spurs won in May will eventually go the same way.

Ange did Spurs a favour getting rid of Levy and getting us Champions League football.

I'll always be grateful to him for both of those things.

However; it was mostly a tough watch and the feelgood factor only kicked in after the final.
 
We are clearly short of quality in a few positions, as others have said. I do think Tel will come good. I think Dom will be much better under Frank than he was under the previous manager. Frank is working with half a deck of cards at the moment. It is very impressive that we are doing as well as we are, though I’d like us to be a bit less cautious. He needs to be given the full backing, including proper financial support to build his preferred squad, of the board. He also needs to be given time.

Speaking of the previous manager, I have no problems with Frank being compared favourably to him in this thread or any other. Like Mrs P, my objection is to the name calling and character assassination. Classic projection in my opinion.
 
Just to add, i think we need to also improve our lack of desire to sell players.

We are overstaffed in certain areas, and understaffed in others. We need to be a bit ruthless with respect to our current cohort of wingers and strikers. Sell while they are still assets to other teams, and not only once we cannot move them, as has been the case under Levy.

January and next summer will be telling if the corporate shuffle fixes this end.

I think good candidates to sell are Richarlison, Brennan, and arguably one of Maddison or Kulu depending on how they are once they return.

That's assuming we get excellent signings in place as well of course.
 
Fattynomates said:
So what i'm hearing is Ange wasn't responsible for the EL win, the players were, but Ange was to blame for us finishing 17th and the players weren't , is that right? Surely both can't be True! :angesmile2:

I get this is the TF thread and as I have said before i'm glad he is here now, and i'm fully behind him! ( :adegrin:)

But is it so hard to even give Ange a tiny bit of Credit for giving us one of the best nights as a Spurs fan that we have had in years? :angecup:
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We all give credit to Ange for the EL win. He got us over the line against mostly shite teams but better managers than him have failed to do that. Whatever he said to the players, it worked against dross like AZ, Bodo and United. Frankfurt away was no doubt the most impressive win of his tenure because there were genuine stakes and it was against a trophy-winning opponent in a tough atmosphere.

But taken in the round his time with us was rancid. Once those first 10 games were gone the team became easier and easier to beat until we we were losing in our own stadium to teams that would be relegated. Even in the worst days under Conte and Mourinho, I rocked up to WHL expecting to win, no matter who we were playing. Under Ange I expected us to lose, no matter who we were playing.

Too many Ange fans want to give him credit for the EL win while absolving him of blame for the domestic showing and continuing to make excuses for him. He is a very limited manager who won us a lesser trophy against limited opposition. That’s just the truth. Frank is on another level completely and as time goes on that will become more and more obvious.
 
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