Thanks for that, not always sure how a jokey reply is received
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Now that Levy has been booted out, I reckon this will get a lot better. That know nothing eejit would hang onto players for years rather than cut our losses. Bentley anyone? DomBelly?
I hate to think how many hundreds of millions we spaffed in fees and wages not getting shot of duds.
The Europa League trophy that was presented to us in Bilbao is the exact same trophy that was presented to us at White Hart Lane in 1972 when we beat Wolves. The format has changed... I will give you that... but the records will also show that 4 of Liverpool's 6 wins in the Champions League were in the previous format so I am guessing they don't count either... seriously, I don't get the need to undermine the one achievement we've had in the last 18 years. It's baffling.
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Yeah, should proof read before posting reply... have corrected it if that helps...I’m baffled as to why you own some of our fans too!
Based on our recent track record I doubt I will see another one... but who knows... be great if we did and we can add a 4th name to the list but one name will always be there as much as it pains you...
Probably not but I am certainly not going to belittle our achievements because I am hating on Ange. I will leave that to you...
I'm not attempting to undermine the achievement of Spurs winning any trophy.
Apologies if that is how my post came across.
My issue is with UEFA and the F.A. regarding the competitions.
The original European competitions were better in my opinion.
They were all on an almost equal footing.
The U.E.F.A, Cup Spurs won in 1972 and 1984 was probably the hardest of the lot to win.
There were more tough opponents in the U.E.F.A, Cup so you were as likely to have a tough game in the early rounds.
The knock out format over two legs was a completely different feel to the league format with seeded teams.
No they don't... it's the exact opposite... too many Ange haters want to give him zero credit for the EL win and full credit for the league failure. Even you... you say you give him credit for EL win then start belittling the level of competition... this is something our rivals do which makes me wonder whether you would have preferred United to win that game so you wouldn't have to cope with Ange being forever etched in our history. The majority questioning this bizarre behaviour are not Ange's fans either... they are fans who recognise he had a load of shortcomings that led to losing in our own stadium to teams that would be relegated but they can also see he was able to galvanise this team in Europe and deliver us our first but of success in 18 years....
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This is who we beat in 83/84
Drogheda United
Feyenoord
Bayern Munich
Austria Memphis
Hajduk Split
Anderlecht
Would you consider this tougher than our route to winning in 24/25
Yes.
Much harder.
Feyenoord had Cruyff playing for them and Bayern Munich are still Bayern Munich.
Do you remember Enzo Scifo playing for Anderlecht with Frank Arnesen?
Were you walking in Austria Memphis btw?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVkHZz0WOqs&list=RDVVkHZz0WOqs&start_radio=1
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Villa at home is MASSIVE test for how far we’ve come under Frank.
They are in good form and we’ve struggled at home.
We’ve been pretty decent against Villa with the majority of this group so I think we have the advantage psychologically but we REALLY need a home win.
They are in good form and we’ve struggled at home.
We’ve been pretty decent against Villa with the majority of this group so I think we have the advantage psychologically but we REALLY need a home win.
Bayern were not the Bayern we think of today. They came 4th in the league that year, same as the season before, and were smack bang in the middle of a 20 year period of not winning any European silverware. It was pretty much like playing Frankfurt at the time.
Also, Cruyff was in his retirement year at Feyenoord, and not the same player as when he ruled Europe over a decade earlier. Hell, he'd even been to the US and back in the years leading up to it. Sure they won their league that season, but the Dutch league was ranked 12th by UEFA at the time.
'Much harder' isn't really true. We were still playing the 5th best team in Croatia and the 2nd best team in Austria.
Listen, it's entirely possible to give the guy some credit, but view it as a relatively weak competition. Weak relative to (for example):
- the PL
- the CL
- the UEFA Cup in the 1980s
That is an entirely logical and rational viewpoint.
And I do believe he would have any team in the PL, except Liverpool, Woolwich and Man City relegated were he to manage them this season, for the full season. And I think we are seeing that form play out with Nottingham Forest.
Costing us a lot more in wages in the long run.
In wages and walking on a free.
And all that time, this useless bloat ate into our wage structure preventing us from paying better wages to better players.
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It's just a way to undermine Levy/ENIC, seeing as they finally got us what the haters have been screaming for. That's the only reason it's questioned.
As to the format, though, yes that changed, but the relative difficulty hasn't lowered as much as is made out. Back in 1984, it was a competition for teams who did not win their leagues, and did not win any domestic cups, since both of those things qualified you for the European Cup proper and the CWC respectively.
That's why we were in it. We came 4th the year before, behind Watford (2nd), but ahead of Forest (5th) and Villa (6th), all of whom were in the competition with us. The same is true for every league which participated, from Austria to Belgium.
Of course, the modern CL now takes the top 4 of every (big) league, so many of those clubs would now be in the higher competition, but most leagues still only get 1 or 2 teams qualified, and we all know that they're little more than fodder now for the big teams of the Big 5 leagues to gobble up at will. European football used to be more competitive in general before the modern period, and now it's ruled by a handful of clubs from an even smaller handful of leagues.
The best clubs not from the Big 5 leagues? They're all aiming for the Europa League now. That's who we beat, instead of the also-rans of the 80s. Not a whole lot of difference in quality, really.
Was a young Ruud Gullit, playing alongside Cruyff, shit as well?
You clearly were not there and I think we have had similar discussions before regarding your limited historical knowledge of THFC.
The UEFA Cups of 1972 and 1984 were much harder to win because you were not seeded against inferior opposition in a group stage.
It was knock out, so pressure to win over two legs, all the way to the final.
You are just making yourself look foolish so crack on.
So you are a sad and bitter clueless Levy fan boi.
And the UEFA cup back in the 80's was much harder, as it was teams that made up from the teams that finished 2/3 in their respective leagues, unlike today's 4 and 5 positions today's on the best leagues, and only the weakest leagues in Europe have winners fall into the EL now.
So in the 80's it was common see the teams that make up the CL today, playing in the EUFA cup.
The EUFA Cup in the 80's was much much harder to win.
Utterly clueless.
You've nailed it.
What he has failed to realise was that the teams that now go into the Champions League, by virtue of their top 4 / 5 league finish the previous season, were the teams that took part in the old U.EF.A. Cup format.
The Champions Cup, or European Cup, which was replaced by the Champions League was definitely easier to win as only the Champions of each European country were entered into an unseeded knock out competition.
Anyone with historical memories of these European nights has some perspective on these matters.
The little fella knows not what he sneers at.
That Karl-Heinz Rummenigge was a bluffer too.
They rolled over for Spurs back in the day.
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They rolled over for Spurs back in the day.
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No, but the Dutch league was. The rest of the Feyenoord team wasn't exactly special.
What you mean is: I've probably corrected you before when you try to sell a false narrative full of rose-tinted nostalgia bias and disingenuous claptrap. It's not my fault that your poor-faith arguments trying to pretend that the 80s EL was harder to win are easily debunked with facts. Your drunken memories from that time are not reliable or useful in a conversation of fact.
No they weren't, they were easier because you only had to knock out the 2nd best team in Ireland, you dork. Perhaps you're still floating from the glory of defeating the 5th-best team in Croatia on away goals, too, but if so then you have no reason at all to denigrate beating the FA Cup finalists just because it was under Levy's tenure.
I'm certainly someone who has had to defend him against bitter, clueless, idiot anti-Levy cultists over the years. It's funny how your side can never have a discussion of facts or reason, innit?
...as well as all the teams who came 5th and 6th, including those from Croatia and Austria, let alone Ireland. I've already explained why you are wrong, in the very post you are quoting (but ignoring all the details from). Here let me state it again so this time you can try to actually deal with some facts you don't like:
That's why we were in it. We came 4th the year before, behind Watford (2nd), but ahead of Forest (5th) and Villa (6th), all of whom were in the competition with us. The same is true for every league which participated, from Austria to Belgium.
Of course, the modern CL now takes the top 4 of every (big) league, so many of those clubs would now be in the higher competition, but most leagues still only get 1 or 2 teams qualified, and we all know that they're little more than fodder now for the big teams of the Big 5 leagues to gobble up at will. European football used to be more competitive in general before the modern period, and now it's ruled by a handful of clubs from an even smaller handful of leagues.
The best clubs not from the Big 5 leagues? They're all aiming for the Europa League now. That's who we beat, instead of the also-rans of the 80s. Not a whole lot of difference in quality, really.
Yes, you are, and so is any dipshit who thinks that the UEFA Cup was somehow harder to win in the 80s just because we faced the 4th-best team in Germany.
You twats are always so easy to smack around.