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Manager Thomas Frank

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Ok help me out here mate because I'm really struggling to see how our attcking play is going to change if he persists with the midfield working the way it is. Simons didn't receive a single pass of JP or RB in the #10 area.

After PSG, then City, and Burnley at home, I was seeing the famous adaptability, now I'm just seeing very risk averse U-Shape passing that's terrified of playing through the middle of the pitch. Kudus is one of the form wingers in the league and he still can't do much when the defenders know exactly when and how he's going to receive a pass.

I get having a cautious approach away at City but we were home to Villa and we looked afraid of attacking their midfield with a pass between them.


View: https://x.com/SZYComps/status/1979944764603793515

I mean, look at RB and JP pass maps


View: https://x.com/SpursPLStatsMan/status/1979928590180299082

We can sign Kane back and put peak Bale on the LW and we might probably still struggle to create anything.

I'm still 100% behind Frank because it takes time to build something but it is reaching the point already where it looks like he's just being stubborn by persisting with the Fridge brothers pivot. And it has to be by design that they are refusing to pass between the lines:


View: https://x.com/hbrooks_coach/status/1979913207457202513

I also understood the drive to make us more solid defensively but we just conceded 2 at home to a top 5 rival, so it seems like sacrificing attacking intent is now starting to cost us that solid foundation he'd built as well.

I think the biggest issue is CF, Frank has always used them effectively to bring others in the game.

For instance midfield or defence would play the ball straight to CF who then lays off to the 10. It adds variety to our play.

The fact none or our current fit options can do it effectively is making us very predicatable and easier to defend against.

That image Coach brooks is talking about is a bit odd because if Bentacur makes third man run and it doesnt pay off we could potentionally be counter attacked with a 4 or 5 vs 3 so in that instance i get why he didnt.
 
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A Bentancur-Palhinha duo could work technically, if Bentancur was as attacking minded as he was during his Conte days that is.

This stuff where he tries to outdo Palhinha as another half back is nonsense, and is completely irrelevant to the current state of our dire frontline.
No it couldn't. They are both very limited in what they can do with the ball. Need to move both of them on in the summer. Not good enough.
 
I hope they are working a lot more on attacking in training. Defensively we seem good, most goals against us have been long range screamers. But we are one dimensional in attack. Kudos just fell off a cliff as the game wore on, especially after Xavi came off.

We also seemed to want to slow the game down as much as Villa when we were chasing the game, that’s a good way to piss off the crowd. At least we had good rotation for Wednesday.
 
You can post all the maps and charts you want.

If we had a proper LWr, CF and other players back, we'd have won today.

There's no need to overthink it.

It's obvious and crystal clear.

I'm not going to pretend that's not the case and he should be working more miracles than he already has in making us the joint third highest goalscorers with Richie, Johnson, Tel, Odobert.

And two points off second place.

Like, what are we even doing here???

All of a sudden the expectation and demands on management are quadruple-fold what they have been, when he's missing essential players that the last fella had, who finished 17th.

What are we actually doing here, people???
The maps and charts are evidence to back up his points.

You seem to think that our attack is so bad that Frank is actually doing a great job if we finish around midtable?

We've different expectations by the looks of it. I think this squad is capable of coming 5th again like we did 2 seasons back if we just approach out home games better.
 
The maps and charts are evidence to back up his points.

You seem to think that our attack is so bad that Frank is actually doing a great job if we finish around midtable?

We've different expectations by the looks of it. I think this squad is capable of coming 5th again like we did 2 seasons back if we just approach out home games better.
If he finishes around midtable with this specific attack, as it is, with no solanke and Kulu back and no additoions made in January, it would be a surprise only to an idiot.

"We've different expectations by the looks of it. I think this squad is capable of coming 5th again like we did 2 seasons back if we just approach out home games better."

lol you are hoofing on the wildest strain of ganja known to man.

Gtfoh haha
 
Fully fit depth chart:

ST: Dom*, Tel, Richy
RW: Kudus, BJ, Kulu*
LW: Odo, Xavi, BJ, Tel, Richy
CAM: Xavi, Maddison*, Kulu*

* = injured

It's wild to me how shitty our attack is when viewed in this manner!
 
4 highlighted players needs upgrading in the next two windows

Selling Richy and BJ, getting Kulu and Maddison healthy, and bringing in a proper LW would be all that is really required to at least get us to having a balanced squad. That should be self-funding from the sales of BJ and Richy if the club are smart. Obviously it'd be great to do a lot more but I'm trying to simply explain how easy it should be for the club to do at least a basic rectification of these issues.
 
Needs to be much more assertive at home! Can’t set up not to lose which is what he has been doing! Our away record is decent. But that Palinha and Lolo pivot just kills any creativity and by 60mins they are both playing next to the CB.

One is fine! But you need that link between the back line and the more forward positioned players
 
One thing I’m particularly concerned about today is the way that Frank is taking this defeat today. He talking about how well we played, etc…. But I’d like him to be furious about being beaten by a relatively average team at our home stadium. Winners abhor losing, he just seems ok with it and that can’t be good.
 
One thing I’m particularly concerned about today is the way that Frank is taking this defeat today. He talking about how well we played, etc…. But I’d like him to be furious about being beaten by a relatively average team at our home stadium. Winners abhor losing, he just seems ok with it and that can’t be good.

Not many managers seem to do that as it would mean making the players at least partially accountable. Its also a symptom of the modern day scourge where identifying things that were not good enough is seen as a "negative", when in reality its the first step in fixing it.
 
One thing I’m particularly concerned about today is the way that Frank is taking this defeat today. He talking about how well we played, etc…. But I’d like him to be furious about being beaten by a relatively average team at our home stadium. Winners abhor losing, he just seems ok with it and that can’t be good.
Villa have won 5 in a row in all comps and haven't lost in their last 8 games.

We didn't have any cutting edge and villa only had two shots on goal and scored from both.

One where Vic was standing in edmonton instead of the right position to handle the shot and the other when Kudus lost the ball when he should have released it (or just crossed it in iirc) and then there a sequence of play where they countered and eventually scored with a cracking strike.

They did have a 2v1 situation in our left corner they shouldn't have had tho.

No idea why anyone's expecting him to start steaming in a presser about it.

He already said up-front he hates losing, but he'll deal with it backroom and not put on a huff for the cameras and give the press ammo to destabilise the team and start their mischief.

He's just come in and is starting to build something, including player's trust that he isn't gonna throw them under the bus willy nilly.
 
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