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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Timberwolf said:
I'm not making any big judgements on Frank right now - bloke needs time and it was inevitable we'd have rocky patches and issues given our injuries and the limitations of the squad. Fine to ride it out for now unless we go on some Ange-esque losing steak.

However, I do think whether he succeeds at Spurs will come down to one simple factor: does he keep trying to make Spurs into Brentford 2.0 or is he able to elevate his style to meet the expectations of a big club like Spurs? I'm starting to get a strong sense that he views the game differently to the average Spurs fan: where he sees us being hard to beat and effectively playing the percentages, a lot of the fans see turgid, long-ball football. And if he doesn't get wins playing ugly, the fans will turn quickly like they did with Jose and Conte. No doubt a lot of those saying they loved the long throws a week ago are bitching about them today. And those voices will get louder if we have a bad run of results.

At the moment we're basically playing like a more expensively assembled Brentford and that's probably good for about 60 pts a season - maybe 70 at a push. But if long term he isn't able to effectively adapt and evolve into something more progressive, I don't think he'll last here for longer than a couple of seasons max. There's only so long the fans will put up with us ignoring our number 10 and building up by lumping it down the channels.
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He won't succeed at Spurs because our fanbase has zero patience. He will get 18 months and then the pressure will be on to remove him. Same with every manager that came before.

We have fans with agendas. They are more interested in propogating their agenda to be proven right than support the team.

Some of them don't think he was a big enough name for Spurs and others don't think his football is attacking enough for Spurs.

They made their mind up before he was even installed and the word "support" isn't in their dictionary.

I suppose every club has to put up with morons but I think we have more than most.

There are examples everywhere of why you have to give managers time to build a team but these guys know better and can happily condemn a manager to the dustbin of history less than 10 games in, its laughable.

Alex Ferguson proves why giving managers time is the answer, and now we are the seeing the same thing with legohead up the road.

You would think people would look at those examples and figure it out by now.
 
Yorkshire Yid said:
We lost yesterday to a side that had 2 shots on target and that was it.

Concern is the Bentancur and Palinha combo being picked over and over but the forwards are just crap

Tel, Odobert and Xavi and Richie are just stinking the joint out first 3 may come good with time but I have my doubts . Other then Kudus we have nothing going forward not helped by how slow we get it forward.

The midfield needs sorting one of Bergval or Sarr have to be playing simple as really
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Bentancur is not worthy of a slot in my opinion.

Palinha is fine but will never create or control a game with Palinha AND Bentancur.

There is a gap for a box to box midfielder that can do everything. Maybe Sarr should be given some time to play.
 
Matt1882 said:
Whilst I typically vehemently argue against the cliche "you have to give a manager time" this time, I'll be patient a while longer.
Things are better than they were.
Not perfect, but better.
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Its not a cliche. Its just common sense.

Until the manager has had 2-3 windows to shape his team its assinine to judge him.

We all lost that basic knowledge somewhere along the line.

I think its because the absolute cream clubs in Europe your Madrid's, Barca would sack a manager at the drop of a hat and install another big name after 10 games if it wasn't working.
Chelsea somewhat copied this model here.

But when you have clubs like Watford changing managers every 3 months you know you have reached peak insanity.

And look how it turned out for them.

Look hows it going for Nuno up the road, and how it ended up for Marinakis.

Managers don't carry a magic wand. You might get a little bounce with a new manager but they aren't going to effect massive change straight away.
 
PatagoniaPhil said:
Bentancur is not worthy of a slot in my opinion.

Palinha is fine but will never create or control a game with Palinha AND Bentancur.

There is a gap for a box to box midfielder that can do everything. Maybe Sarr should be given some time to play.
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Palhina
Sarr/Bergvall
Simons

That's our best midfield 3 in my opinion. Sarr and Bergvall offer so much energy as well as being able to get up and down the pitch. Bentancur is a tidy player, but him and Palhinha limit each other and the rest of the team.
 
People getting on Frank's back already and saying he is out of his depth are a joke.

To put it in perspective, after this amount of games two years ago, 95% of Spurs fans thought Ange was the second coming of Pep and look how that turned out.

It is far too early in his tenure to start getting on his back.

Yes, playing Bentancur alongside Pal doesn't work and it's a mistake. Hopefully he'll rectify it, but at the end of the day every manager will make decisions we won't agree with. What we know with Frank is there will be method behind his decisions and it will be carefully thought through.

He took over a team that hadn't been coached for two years. And he has up in a decent position in the table. Results and performances have been a real mixed bag, excellent, terrible, and everything inbetween.

All we can ask for is gradual improvement over the season. We'll have some poor runs, we will probably enter one now where we will be up against better sides and might struggle.

At the end of the day Frank is being forced to play Tel and Odobert. What are his other options? Johnson and Richarlison?

Anyone getting on Franks back should look at the real culprits. The owners and Levy who spent money on signing players nowhere near good enough.


We signed too many young punts who aren't at a proven quality and it's hindering us.

Johnson, Tel, Richarlison, Odobert, none of them are good enough.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
He won't succeed at Spurs because our fanbase has zero patience. He will get 18 months and then the pressure will be on to remove him. Same with every manager that came before.

We have fans with agendas. They are more interested in propogating their agenda to be proven right than support the team.

Some of them don't think he was a big enough name for Spurs and others don't think his football is attacking enough for Spurs.

They made their mind up before he was even installed and the word "support" isn't in their dictionary.

I suppose every club has to put up with morons but I think we have more than most.

There are examples everywhere of why you have to give managers time to build a team but these guys know better and can happily condemn a manager to the dustbin of history less than 10 games in, its laughable.

Alex Ferguson proves why giving managers time is the answer, and now we are the seeing the same thing with legohead up the road.

You would think people would look at those examples and figure it out by now.
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You could argue the same thing with Lego Head with his side looking down on us
 
Gatsby said:
Can't believe I'm seeing people calling for Frank's head, or saying he only has a few more games. This is the problem with the club. A tough patch and it's begging for change... It's so cringe.

And to see people asking for Poch back. Seriously?

Just have some patience and belief. Part of the problem is the home games. The crowd are flat as anything, nothing for the players to feed off. It's like a day out at the park.
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I had to block an account on X, that Talking THFC moron.

He had the audacity to already be calling for Frank's head, whilst also saying we should bring back Ange, calling it an outstanding project which was ended prematurely.

There are so many fucking clowns out there it's unreal.
 
Teach said:
Sensible but overly positive

We are shit
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We're playing shit at the moment but the actual squad is not too bad, probably better than 15 other squads in the league. Getting a bit worried about Frank but I guess we have to give him some time to get the team to gel. We've had a very easy draw to start the season, I guess we find out over the next month if we are improving.
 
Bloodbath said:
We're playing shit at the moment but the actual squad is not too bad
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The defensive and midfield options are decent.

The attacking players, with the exception of Kudus, are underwhelming.

For me; Brennan has to play ahead of Richarlison and Tel.

Unless it is an injury i am puzzled as to why Frank has chosen to leave him out.

He's currently Spurs best chance of sniffing a goal.

We need a better goalkeeper too.

In my opinion.
 
People think the squad is good because people overrate our players. Neutrals don’t think our squad is very good for a reason.

A lot of these players wouldn’t attract big bids from other teams - no matter how much our own fans gush about their talent.
 
Gatsby said:
Can't believe I'm seeing people calling for Frank's head, or saying he only has a few more games. This is the problem with the club. A tough patch and it's begging for change... It's so cringe.

And to see people asking for Poch back. Seriously?

Just have some patience and belief. Part of the problem is the home games. The crowd are flat as anything, nothing for the players to feed off. It's like a day out at the park.
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Incredibly easy away day for the opposition when its like that. Which is most of the time these days.

The prospect of coming to our stadium with 60k of people turning it into a cauldron should be intimidating for both the opposition and the officials.

It's worth points in the bank.

It's like Leeds the other week, that game should have been far easier on paper but the crowd played a massive role. They got in the refs head and they were kicking the crap out of us while every challenge we made we got booked.

Our ground is a library.
 
Gatsby said:
It's so easy to say that. Lazy approach.

Get behind the manager instead of waiting and wishing to be proven right.
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Or he could just have opinions and express them on a message board primarily designed for expressing them. You can say he’s wrong and laugh at him for it but how fucking dull would it be if everyone just ‘got behind the manager’ on here and never said what they think.

This isn’t the stadium.
 
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