Agree but he’s a massive improvement on Richy. Steady, first touch and plays % football
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There are only handfuls here who can debate meaningfully, and respectfully agree to disagree. No reason to carry on further with some whenever a critic of Frank came on, they responded with that for being a cultist or supporter of previous manager, or resorted to other names-calling. It's honestly childish and, stupid.
The football’s shit. Let’s just call it what it is. He has an aversion to playing through the centre that is simply not tenable at this level of football.
I do believe he will turn it around. But this is nowhere near the level. Ruben Amorim has coached a more fluid and creative buildup than Frank this season.
I do believe he will turn it around. But this is nowhere near the level. Ruben Amorim has coached a more fluid and creative buildup than Frank this season.
But the same issues would still be here.
A manager who would have to get used to a new squad and injuries. If he had a slow start, like he did at Palace, you’d now be calling for his head and saying we should have got Frank.
I bet TF would love to have Bruno/Cunha/Mbeumo as options...
He's been at Utd for a fucking year!! And let's not act as if Utd haven't been dog shit for the majority of that time...where was this super-duper build up in the EL final?!
Can we stop with these silly false equivalences
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Fair enough... I know you said 8 and I took that as a view that 8th is not bad... my mistake... good to get clarity.I mentioned Top 8 because that is where we are and will likely be. Read the post again, maybe.
For a club like Tottenham Hotspur, I think we should be challenging every season.
Not sure I am the only one but thanks for focussing on me!!!
What gives you the right to decide who can post here and makes a normal Spurs fan... you can fuck right off.. if you don't like what I post put me on ignore or better still, maybe you should find another place where you can be fucking miserable... I'd rather fight for my club to be better rather than accept being fucking miserableUmm... okay then if that's the case can you and that FeelsPapa bloke go find a thread and/or forum to fight with ThickWank and whichever other "cultists" want to engage in these pointless flame wars while the rest of us normal fans just get on with trying to make the best of the miserable existential experience that is being a normal Spurs fan? Cheers ta very much...
Honestly.
I never wanted Nuno, Nuno felt like a panic appointment after we missed all of our other targets. And I was pleased to see him go.
I wasn't that excited about Ange either and I thought the adulation he got first ten games, the whole "Angeball" thing with the Robbie Williams stuff was totally premature and all a bit cringe, but at least our fanbase was positive and hopeful for a change. You can tell by now I'm not a bandwagon jumper I'm a lot more measured.
I wasn't that sold on Frank truth to be told, I knew our fans would turn on his style of football and the fact that he isn't a big name and I knew he wouldn't get the time.
To answer your question if I knew then what I know now I would have wanted Nuno to get more time.
This cycle of sacking managers isn't working, we need to give somebody the time.
Frank is highly rated within the game by the people who know football, players and other managers. We have to give him time.
This is a very lucid and measured post. This is the sort of engagement and discussion I can get behind and your post has actually made me pause to reflect... it will be difficult for me to change my opinion on Frank as I genuinely think he is out of his depth and not as highly rated as others believe, but I'm cognizant to the fact he isn't likely to get the sack this season baring a complete collapse. However, I just can't see us competing for anything this season and once again before Halloween, our season feels unofficially done. The next run of fixtures will be telling. After Everton away on Sunday we have Newcastle (a) League Cup, Chavs (h), Copenhagen (h), United (h), Woolwich (a) and PSG (a). Current evidence would suggest we are going to struggle to avoid embarrassment but let's see.
Well if Frank's record is anything to go by he's pretty good against the stronger teams, and we've seen that already this season - 2 of our best performances were City and PSG.
Not saying he's gonna suddenly turn it around and have us playing liquid football but the types of fixures that murdered us under Ange aren't necessarily as bad now.
I agree some of Frank's football this year has been pretty poor to watch, however I think our squad building over the last few years is the real issue here.
We can't be shocked as a fan base when we get outplayed by a Champions League team when in reality the quality of our Forward line / Midfield (at the moment) is on par with the likes of Nottingham Forest.
I know Forest have been awful this season, however bar Kudus (& maybe Palhinha) how many of our current starters would get ahead of the Forest players:
Palhinha > Douglas Luiz
Bentancur < Elliott Anderson
Kudus > Ndoye
Simons < Gibbs-White
Odobert < Hudson-Odoi
Tel < Chris Wood
Give Frank time and some decent players then we can assess where we are, otherwise we'll just stay in this state of limbo for another 5 years.
We can't be shocked as a fan base when we get outplayed by a Champions League team when in reality the quality of our Forward line / Midfield (at the moment) is on par with the likes of Nottingham Forest.
I know Forest have been awful this season, however bar Kudus (& maybe Palhinha) how many of our current starters would get ahead of the Forest players:
Palhinha > Douglas Luiz
Bentancur < Elliott Anderson
Kudus > Ndoye
Simons < Gibbs-White
Odobert < Hudson-Odoi
Tel < Chris Wood
Give Frank time and some decent players then we can assess where we are, otherwise we'll just stay in this state of limbo for another 5 years.
Because the end of last season is our starting point
Imagine you ran a decorating business.
The previous tenant absolutely wrecked the place with wild parties and orgies. Prior to that it had been spotless.
Would you blame the decorator for taking a while to get the work done, just because before it was wrecked it had been in a good state?
Even by the standards on this board, your posts are plumbing new depths of the absurd.
Where we agree is the football is pretty poor and should be better. I think over the season we will see improvement.
Yes. Frank has two very big weaknesses and two moderate weaknesses in the squad available right now:
Big:
- LW
- CF
Moderate
- No.10 (Simons so far has not resolved this)
- No.8 (Sarr and Bergvall are decent, but are they good enough to be our first choice no.8?)
The club/player culture has been blamed before. Managers come and go. Players come and go. The culture remains.
I don't think on the whole the sqaud is to bad, its just we are missing Maddision, Kulu and Solanke long term and we have just added in Romero and Udogie - thats 50% of the team (barring the GK) the left side was always going to be the weak spot but it looks like the club knew this if the bids for Savio were correct and made the decision to wait for someone on the same level as Kudus rather than just buy someone for the sake of it.
I still think Frank can do better with what we have, he needs to think of a way to get the best out of Xavi and use an alternative to JP and Bentancaur each game , but the squad ( when Fit) is enough to challenge for Top 6 and only 3 or 4 signings off being very good. (IMO)
Yep.
As if Solanka Kulu and Maddison are all going to come back and the style will be transformed to an attacking, one-touch, pass and move joga bonito exhibition. Does anyone play like that now anyway?
He'll tighten up the midfield but that's about it.
OTOH its a results first business. The results are overall good..so far.
I agree.
Who is responsible for the culture though and how do you change it?
For me, the culture was set by Levy and it was his responsibility to change it. That's why when he sacked the manager that just won him a trophy, it was unforgivable.
It's now up to the current board to set the tone. Let's see how they get on. Either they empower Frank to have some authority over the players, and back the players and manager when the PGMOL and other clubs take the piss (as they constantly do) . Or the same Spursy pattern continues until we get new owners.
What I'm left scratching my head about is that when Frank was being appointed, people were talking about how he is a tactician, how he can and will set up different formations, how he 'out-thinks' opposition coaches, etc, and I was refreshed by this based on the supposed 'one way' that we were being coached to play previously. But every game now feels like groundhog day with the same formation, same tactics, mostly the same players, same turgid football.......play out from the back with the ball being hit to the full back, followed by a hopeful ball up to the winger, who is immediately surrounded with nowhere to go. Where is the variations that keep the opposition guessing, where is the bespoke in game tactics. I'm still very much placing my faith in our Manager but I'd be lying if I said that doubt wasn't starting to creep in a little by what I'm seeing.