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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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There's a lot of ignorance on this forum regarding Frank. I've come to learn that a lot of people just watch Spurs rather than any other football so can accept the ignorance.

But this needs to be understood by those who never watched Brentford or Frank's journey.

The decently attacking and flowing Brentford from last season was after many years of Frank's hard graft of building them from the ground up, as he was to do with us. To expect us to play like prime Wissa, Mbuemo, Toney etc. inside 10 or so games, is absurd.

He know's we're a young squad that needs moulding. He needs a good amount of time to do that moulding and at least 3 transfer windows.

We must be patient.

There will bumps in the road because of how low we sunk under Ange. He cannot fix it all immediately.

I don't expect it, in today's world of wanting everything now, but, let's give him a wide leash and massive support.

17th to top 4 is an ungodly jump and unrealistic. We should temper our expectations as such.

There is definite progress from last season. This version of Spurs beats last years version.

The trajectory is upward, but some want it vertical.

Great sides are not made overnight.
 
kingdawson said:
think it's pretty spot on minus him not including Bodo as a bad half.

city and Burnley excellent, West Sham very good, Villa decent.
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To be honest as well we have no idea by which criteria he judges those games as "good", as fans inherently we only really have an idea of what we want the finished picture to look like but a manager like Frank likely has key performance markers and metrics not belied by obvious stats that he is looking for that indicate progress towards a cohesive team playing effective system football.

Though I agree, Bodo first half was poor but he might just be acknowledging he got the lineup wrong on the day and saw the improvement he wanted from the subs, I'd argue Villa 2nd half was poorer as we lacked incisiveness to retake the lead early in the second half when we were generating chances and our subs had literally zero impact on the game. Yes we were defensively solid but that was the poorest response we've seen by far to going behind the handful of times its happened so far,
 
James Cook said:
There will bumps in the road because of how low we sunk under Ange. He cannot fix it all immediately.
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Why do people do this?

We literally won a European Trophy under Ange. And made the semi finals of a Domestic cup.

Everything else you say about Frank and the time he needs/deserves is %100 accurate.

But to suggest Ange Postecoglou is the architect of our current problems is so utterly preposterous it undermines every single other thing you have to say and so the people you're trying to "reach" will simply ignore you. Just creates an even bigger rod for Frank's back.

So fucking weird and pointless.
 
Phomesy said:
Why do people do this?

We literally won a European Trophy under Ange. And made the semi finals of a Domestic cup.

Everything else you say about Frank and the time he needs/deserves is %100 accurate.

But to suggest Ange Postecoglou is the architect of our current problems is so utterly preposterous it undermines every single other thing you have to say and so the people you're trying to "reach" will simply ignore you. Just creates an even bigger rod for Frank's back.

So fucking weird and pointless.
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I like Ange, but we were a poor side under him. I was a defender of his for a long time until the evidence was just too much.

Love him for the trophy but it was playground football with no structure.

But this is Frank's thread.
 
James Cook said:
I like Ange, but we were a poor side under him. I was a defender of his for a long time until the evidence was just too much.

Love him for the trophy but it was playground football with no structure.

But this is Frank's thread.
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Well exactly but that didn't stop you needlessly and incorrectly taking a jab at our former manager in an otherwise very good assessment of the time and support our current manager requires.

The FACTS are that when Postecoglou had his back 5 available to him we were a Top 4 team on extrapolated points. Of course he didn't have that Back 5 - in fact almost NONE of them when our league season completely collapsed BUT when they did return and were played exclusively in the EL - we didn't lose a game and, of course, won the fucking thing.

So, rather than "how low we sunk" in fact we ended on a massive high and with all the confidence that IF we added offensive and midfield talent to complement what is clearly an excellent Back 5 we should be pushing on this season - especially with Champions League.

But it's become very apparent all those gains were pissed away with yet another poor window and yet more calamitous injuries.

So, yeah, let's not create more pressure on Frank by spurious jabs at a former manager who left with a fucking Trophy in our cabinet. It just makes things worse by comparison.
 
Papafeels said:
and are still dreadful at the back.
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Dreadful at the back as in joint 3rd fewest league goals conceded?

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skywalker68 said:
Probably not, at Brentford, expectations are a lot lower than a club who are 9th richest club in world football.
For example, I have no problem with the long throw tactics as part of an overall strategy.
But when, it becomes the main focal point because the team can barely muster an attempt on goal, it becomes a hard watch that he could get away with at his previous club.
Tottenhams status both globally and financially, should demand more than what has been on offer.
Since the West Ham game, the team has dropped off a cliff in all comps with performances.
Frank and his management team need, to earn their money and find a solution to a misfiring, ponderous front three.
Xavi has been a let down, Chelsea dodged a bullet there that is for sure.
Would not be surprised to see Everton turn the team over Sunday, absolutely got away with it Wednesday night and, in the round before.
CL we are not, in the EPL , looking like a midtable team with a midtable manager.
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Out of all the times we played Brentford I don’t remember them utilising the long throw this much.
 
Brian Fantana said:
Out of all the times we played Brentford I don’t remember them utilising the long throw this much.
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EVERYONE is using the fucking cursed long throw this year. Just like everyone is playing the same kick off routine.

It's NOT just a "Frank thing" - it's a league wide phenomenon.

What will be interesting is to see who sticks or who twists first.
 
Bergvall is careless, loses the ball loads and is pretty ill-disciplined, but is typically positive in his play.

Sarr... sometimes good, sometimes shit... just depends on the day.

Gray... still somewhat an unknown quantity, but deserves a chance.

The stark truth is that our MF is mid af and needs serious surgery.

That a fair assessment bus-conductor bus-conductor ?

Think we're roughly on the same page with this.
 
Brian Fantana said:
Out of all the times we played Brentford I don’t remember them utilising the long throw this much.
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Probably not, like I say, I don't mind it as an alternative to keep pressure on, but the team can barely create or hit the target.
Last year, was some of the worst football i have seen watching the club.
The past few games has been on a par with that, certainly rode our luck against Monaco, should have been out of sight against us by HT.
Wolves and Villa at home wtf were them games about.
 
Phomesy said:
Well exactly but that didn't stop you needlessly and incorrectly taking a jab at our former manager in an otherwise very good assessment of the time and support our current manager requires.

The FACTS are that when Postecoglou had his back 5 available to him we were a Top 4 team on extrapolated points. Of course he didn't have that Back 5 - in fact almost NONE of them when our league season completely collapsed BUT when they did return and were played exclusively in the EL - we didn't lose a game and, of course, won the fucking thing.

So, rather than "how low we sunk" in fact we ended on a massive high and with all the confidence that IF we added offensive and midfield talent to complement what is clearly an excellent Back 5 we should be pushing on this season - especially with Champions League.

But it's become very apparent all those gains were pissed away with yet another poor window and yet more calamitous injuries.

So, yeah, let's not create more pressure on Frank by spurious jabs at a former manager who left with a fucking Trophy in our cabinet. It just makes things worse by comparison.
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Yeah I don't accept this narrative that Frank inherited damaged goods of a squad that he now needs years to repair. This historical revisionism needs to stop.

As you say he inherited a squad on a high, European Cup winners, a good mix of experience and youth without any dressing room toxicity. The team was united and loved playing for the former manager. Not many come into a club under those circumstance, often the opposite.

Frank has been given an excellent platform to build on. Everyone knows-but not everyone will admit- there was context around the 17th finish. If Frank fails it won't be because of what he inherited that is for certain.
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
Frank has been given an excellent platform to build on. Everyone knows-but not everyone will admit- there was context around the 17th finish. If Frank fails it won't be because of what he inherited that is for certain.
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Except inasmuch as he's inherited a midfield who can't pass and a forward line who don't have star quality.

Problems the previous manager also had. And problems that, bafflingly, weren't addressed in Summer even after Maddison went down.

Frank needs time and support because apart from our back 5 the squad stinks.

And we're an injury to Mickey away from complete and utter disaster yet again.
 
Phomesy said:
EVERYONE is using the fucking cursed long throw this year. Just like everyone is playing the same kick off routine.

It's NOT just a "Frank thing" - it's a league wide phenomenon.

What will be interesting is to see who sticks or who twists first.
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I remember the times when it was THFC kryptonite. Stoke, Newport, whoever scored off them against us. Year after year, decade after decade it was some sort of secret weapon against us we just couldn’t defend never mind the manger or personnel. What was weirder was that no other team tried it against us thankfully.

I only remember one game where he had Pennock bunging it in against us but to no really effect. Now everyone is doing it. I bet it arouses Arteta no end.
 
skywalker68 said:
Probably not, like I say, I don't mind it as an alternative to keep pressure on, but the team can barely create or hit the target.
Last year, was some of the worst football i have seen watching the club.
The past few games has been on a par with that, certainly rode our luck against Monaco, should have been out of sight against us by HT.
Wolves and Villa at home wtf were them games about.
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In football at the moment the other trend is for teams to set up defending man for man. So you get the two centre backs up giants two attackers with no other support. Have a look on goal kicks, the whole midfield is a gaping black hole (remember Nuno doing it against the scum and getting criticised?) because everyone is matched up across the pitch.

It is another reason, on top of the sudden reliance on set pieces, football is getting very boring at the top level and we don’t really get any exciting games any more. I put it down to VAR. Both attacking set pieces (for fouls on the attacker) and defensive situations leading to offsides via one v one defending and high lines all lead back to situations where the VAR lottery comes into play. In a game of small margins managers across the league are relying on shit officials to give them decisions in certain situations and they are trying to exploit that.
 
100% behind him until and unless he makes a pig's ear out of it.

He/we are doing okay, but need to be better.

Important for Frank to find players he can rely on to do the jobs that are necessary.

Clear at present that there are 4 or 5 places up for grabs in that regard and it's only top performances that will ensure permamance of position, and rightly so.
 
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