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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Phomesy said:
Kudus? Really? The next good pass he makes will be the first won't it?

His strength is dribbling I would have thought. Not technical ability
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Fair enough on the passing, it is woeful.

But for me, a part of technical ability is first touch, close control, and dribbling as well.

In order to be technically good, it’s mandatory to have a silky touch. Kudus at least has that going for him. The rest of our attack is an absolute mess.

RKM has hardly had a touch of the ball in his time here and he has some of us on here excited simply because he can dribble in a straight line.
 
Papafeels said:
You don't need to wait until then to see the spankings. The next 8 weeks will give you your fill. We beat a City team who, we just seem to beat for whatever reason, and who barely had a preseason. We've lost against every good side we've faced since. We're going to be on the receiving end very soon, were the opposition actually score their chances, this blind luck not conceding many goals VS opposition chances won't last.
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That will happen if the players down tools fed up with the crap tactics. It happened under Mourinho. Hope I'm wrong but let's see how few weeks play out. United Saturday is going to be an interesting barometer for me.
 
Hampshire Spur said:
That will happen if the players down tools fed up with the crap tactics. It happened under Mourinho. Hope I'm wrong but let's see how few weeks play out. United Saturday is going to be an interesting barometer for me.
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It looks as though they are frustrated with it. I don't see how playing in a set up like that is in any way enjoyable. By this persistence with the two holders, who have obviously been instructed to take no risks, we just invite pressure on ourselves, and make us ridiculously easy to press and invite trouble. It's doing the opposite of its intention. It's basic, basic stuff.
 
manmountainbutters said:
True. I just think that barring sliding down to that level, we need to give TF a season to see if he can get us going in the right direction. Football can change very quickly.
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I think if you're hiring someone as a permanent manager they should get two windows and an appropriate amount of backing.

You don't sack someone at this early stage who only had a summer of Levy and one of his bodge job windows and who does not have a credible side to command. Barring a disaster if you believe in him enough to give him the job you have to give him some time to complete it.

The manager is not the problem at spurs it's the recruitment and thus it has usually been, and this has not yet been addressed
 
Papafeels said:
It looks as though they are frustrated with it. I don't see how playing in a set up like that is in any way enjoyable. By this persistence with the two holders, who have obviously been instructed to take no risks, we just invite pressure on ourselves, and make us ridiculously easy to press and invite trouble. It's doing the opposite of its intention. It's basic, basic stuff.
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Yeah the players were so good last year when they were instructed to play attacking football and take risks.
 
Jenderbazzfass said:
I think if you're hiring someone as a permanent manager they should get two windows and an appropriate amount of backing.

You don't sack someone at this early stage who only had a summer of Levy and one of his bodge job windows and who does not have a credible side to command. Barring a disaster if you believe in him enough to give him the job you have to give him some time to complete it.

The manager is not the problem at spurs it's the recruitment and thus it has usually been, and this has not yet been addressed
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Did you think it was unfair to sack Nuno?
 
bonaspur23 said:
You are the guy saying we should be in relegation spots because of xG or xGA.

The table disagrees. Maybe take your own advice and find this thing called middle ground.
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The statistic table doesn't. We've been ridiculously lucky on both sides of the pitch. We're leading in the league, by a vast margin in outperforming both of those metrics. It's an anomaly that is impossible to maintain. It will correct itself, very soon.

https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/Premier-League-Stats
 
Papafeels said:
Did you think it was unfair to sack Nuno?
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You can't keep bringing this up, it's genuinely a disingenuous comparison.

The guy was fired mainly for the football but we had Antonio Conte waiting in the wings, if Klopp was waiting for us now then yeah sure bye Frank but the reality is that he isn't and we need to work with what we have.
 
bonaspur23 said:
In one ear, out the other.

The game isn't played on paper. It won't correct us anywhere near relegation.
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Not relegation, no because the team too good. But we'll absolutely be treading water in 15-12th come 50% of the league.

They absolutely will correct. It's almost impossible to be doing what we are, and results over the last 5/6 games have shown that its correcting.

Bury your head in the sand all you want. I've been saying the same thing for while. At first it was "overreacting" getting abuse for saying it, now it's gained traction here and with the supporters out with here. People are vastly under estimating how bad this is.
 
Shadydan said:
You can't keep bringing this up, it's genuinely a disingenuous comparison.

The guy was fired mainly for the football but we had Antonio Conte waiting in the wings, if Klopp was waiting for us now then yeah sure bye Frank but the reality is that he isn't and we need to work with what we have.
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Exactly.

Yes it was unfair to sack Nuno but getting Conte meant no one gave a shit :D

And then the cycle repeated and half these cunts wanted Cunte sacked so...

Then we win a Glorious European Trophy and everyone lived happily ever after :cautious::D
 
Papafeels said:
Not relegation, no because the team too good. But we'll absolutely be treading water in 15-12th come 50% of the league.

They absolutely will correct. It's almost impossible to be doing what we are, and results over the last 5/6 games have shown that its correcting.

Bury your head in the sand all you want. I've been saying the same thing for while. At first it was "overreacting" getting abuse for saying it, now it's gained traction here and with the supporters out with here. People are vastly under estimating how bad this is.
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Starting to think you're Deuterz Deuterz running the greatest long con ever pulled off in spurs forum history :cautious:
 
Shadydan said:
You can't keep bringing this up, it's genuinely a disingenuous comparison.

The guy was fired mainly for the football but we had Antonio Conte waiting in the wings, if Klopp was waiting for us now then yeah sure bye Frank but the reality is that he isn't and we need to work with what we have.
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It's absolutely not. The parallels are the same. You can't say that you want to give one manager time, but not the other. It's either or.

They're both a bad fit, didn't work/won't work. It's painfully obvious.The club made a rare good decision in addressing that. I can't imagine there's not contingency plans happening as we speak. There is nothing positive at all to cling to here, bar our inflated, far too early, league position.

I don't want to go through another fucking manager merry go round, another season wasted, more big fees on players the next coach probably doesn't fancy. But we can't sit still for the sake of it either. This is going one way. I've been saying it for weeks now. I was called every name under the soon even 2 weeks ago, there's a big number of people now who are starting to admit that after 6 months in charge, we're absolutely not better than we were.
 
latman said:
Let's take Seymenyo for example. He's out of our reach now, but had we gone with a no nonsense 80 million in the summer we'd probably of got him.

I just don't understand it, it would of been a huge transfer for us, properly replacing Son. It was obvious he had the quality and elite skill set to be one of the top performers in the PL.

But yet we'd rather take the risk with 60 million on players who look decent, but not elite...or haven't even graced the PL.
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As recent as this summer; he was still being criticised for a lack of end product.
 
BJK said:
This sort of blatant violation of the principle of parsimony was occuring 12 months ago too, with some people trying to explain away our one dimensional football by claiming that it was the manager's way of establishing strong foundations, teaching players useful habits in terms of being willing and able to attack at all times etc. So apparently he was perfectly capable of sorting the defense out, but was choosing not to for long term gain.

Meanwhile parsimony simply had it that he was getting us to play the way we were doing simply because he was incapable of doing things any other way on a sustainable level long term. There was no grand plan going on behind the scenes, just someone who lacked answers. I think we all got our answer eventually as to which explanation was correct.

Parsimony =/= accuracy. Frank may indeed turn out to be fully capable of transforming our play in a non-distant future.That's what I'm hoping still, despite my critical tone. But he needs to give us more to work with than this.
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I'm sure you do but couldn't help myself...
 
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