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Manager Thomas Frank
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Really, 'fanboi weasal'
...I am not an Ange fanboi (I was Ange out by the end, probably 60-40 on him out from about March onwards), and I do think Frank has made a decent start despite having a weak squad and a lot of injuries. Especially impressed with his squad management (in difficult circumstances), set pieces and structural reorganization after a we got ripped apart too often last season. However, I am frustrated that he is not learning from the mistakes he is repeatedly making at home. Same mistakes against Wolves, Bournemouth, Chelsea, Villa, and now Man U. He needs to be braver and take the hand brake off. We've had the second least shots in the PL and cannot progress the ball through the middle of the pitch. He is being too risk averse and seems to rely on scoring from a set piece. That is fine away from home, especially with a weakened squad. But at home we need to be braver. When he has found a combination that works (Odobert / Udogie on the left for example) he has not persisted with it. Was no-one else concerned that it took until the 53rd minute before we had our first shot on goal? Note that I am not calling for him to be sacked, just that I am frustrated by his risk averse football in home games, and his insistence that we have played well when we have not. Maybe I am watching different games to some of you - it is all opinions at the end of the day.
Funny how faced with a genuine but different opinion the more ill-educated on this board cannot debate with any panache, wit, or even provide informative data. Just swear words and threats from keyboard warriors who would be too scraed to say boo to a goose in real life.
Really, 'fanboi weasal'
I am not an Ange fanboi (I was Ange out by the end, probably 60-40 on him out from about March onwards), and I do think Frank has made a decent start despite having a weak squad and a lot of injuries. Especially impressed with his squad management (in difficult circumstances), set pieces and structural reorganization after a we got ripped apart too often last season. However, I am frustrated that he is not learning from the mistakes he is repeatedly making at home. Same mistakes against Wolves, Bournemouth, Chelsea, Villa, and now Man U. He needs to be braver and take the hand brake off. We've had the second least shots in the PL and cannot progress the ball through the middle of the pitch. He is being too risk averse and seems to rely on scoring from a set piece. That is fine away from home, especially with a weakened squad. But at home we need to be braver. When he has found a combination that works (Odobert / Udogie on the left for example) he has not persisted with it. Was no-one else concerned that it took until the 53rd minute before we had our first shot on goal? Note that I am not calling for him to be sacked, just that I am frustrated by his risk averse football in home games, and his insistence that we have played well when we have not. Maybe I am watching different games to some of you - it is all opinions at the end of the day.
Funny how faced with a genuine but different opinion the more ill-educated on this board cannot debate with any panache, wit, or even provide informative data. Just swear words and threats from keyboard warriors who would be too scraed to say boo to a goose in real life.
Sure thing Ange fanboi
You jobless, useless clown.
Seriously, let's hear your opinion on our football. You are great at insults and threats. Where is your football knowledge?
Sorry fella, I will stop engaging the knuckle draggers (although am really enjoying GOAT's insults - with a bit more cajoling I reckon I could get him up to 3 syllable words!.
0.96 Vs 0.63
10 shots Vs 5 shots
4 on target Vs 2
55% Vs 45%
Stop over exaggerating to prove a non existent point.
Edit: Also Sesko was taken off on the 88th minute which was 4 minutes after Tel equalised but don't let facts get in the way of anything.
Great - some stats and a proper debate at last rather than insults and abuse. I am really not over exaggerating - I am frustrated by the same repetitive faults (which I have taken time to explain with some thought), the combination of which make us very predictable and easy to defend against at home.
How many of our shots came in the first hour? I don't think we had a shot until 53rd minute, certainly on target at least. I'll concede that looking at those stats Man U were poorer than I had given them credit for but still not sure we deserved to win having been 1-0 down in 84th minute at home and only rallied once we had subs on in the last 20 mins or so.
Two neutrals in the office where I work thought we would have been very lucky to have won and think a draw was probably the right result across the entire game.
What exactly did I say in the post you quoted that you thought was an exaggeration?
Why? You've posted essays on here basically just to demonstrate that you know absolutely fuck all. What a waste of your time (and ours), so thanks for that.
I think our football is 'getting there'. And by 'getting there' I mean slow but sure improvements. We are much harder to beat now than under Ange, and that is a fact.
Yes, our attacking play could do with a bit more pinache but quite Frank(ly), Thomas is doing things the right around around. Solidifying us first, sorting out attacking on set pieces. The passing, movement and general attacking play will come in due time. It's not like we're in a shitty league position, and doing shit in the CL is it.
Home form definitely needs to improve but I think you'll find that us genuine spurs fans will give that time. You also need to take into account the ridiculous number of injuries we currently have, which means we cannot rotate as much as TF would like, and therefore currently run the risk (and indeed are) of burning some of our players out. It's a congested fixture list - we are going to struggle somewhat until our injury list improves.
Then there's transfers...even Stevie Wonder can see we need to upgrade our attack - a striker and left winger (although it's great to see Odobert start to put in some performances) are most definitely needed. Until that happens, our ceiling of improvement will remain very limited.
Hope that helps, Sherlock. You can argue with anything I've just said as much as you like...but you'll be wrong.
Overall a draw was probably a fair result over the duration of the game however if we had held on to claim all 3 points it wouldn't have been very lucky but more to do with us having scored 2 goals to their one, no great forensic acumen required to determine that.
Can't believe the negativity over the result...we were losing the game ffs. I was right in line on level 2 looking on behind their corner being taken and saying "Come on Vic make it yours"....and that's why we need to look for another keeper.
Although the atmosphere was slightly better than the Chavs it was still registering quite high on the shitometer and the only boos heard (from our extremely knowledgeable support) occurred when Tel replaced Xavi...and look how that turned out.
Can't believe the negativity over the result...we were losing the game ffs. I was right in line on level 2 looking on behind their corner being taken and saying "Come on Vic make it yours"....and that's why we need to look for another keeper.
Although the atmosphere was slightly better than the Chavs it was still registering quite high on the shitometer and the only boos heard (from our extremely knowledgeable support) occurred when Tel replaced Xavi...and look how that turned out.
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That we deserved to lose which is untrue based on every stat available.
You also stated we only scored the two goals when they went down to 10 men which is factually incorrect. Do you accept this???
yet you were saying we "deserved to lose"
you're right, know nothing "fans"
I actually agree with a lot of what you've (finally) said, and have posted similar comments in this thread myself. Frank has made us much harder to beat, sorted out set pieces, managed squad rotation very well, and can be flexible in his tactics. The second sentence in my post that really seems to have originally enraged you said "I know the squad he has is not good enough and he has not had enough time. " But you appear to have made a knee jerk reaction to my post. I did not call for Frank out or make any outlandish statements, I just said I did not think we deserved to win against Man U (I still don't), and that I am concerned with some repetitive behaviours Frank is exhibiting - mainly related to a lack of creativity and progression caused by his tactics and the team selection in home games. Is that not allowed? You don't have to agree. But the insults and threats are not appreciated. And for the record I was Ange out and also think Frank deserves time, at least another summer window and we'll judge him properly next season. This was a post I made in this thread just 2 weeks ago ...
"I am not too happy about the lack of central progression football. But .. without players like Romero, Udogie, Maddison, Kulusevski, and Solanke, and Muani only just available, I think we've been really good. Important thing was to have a solid start and get to know the players, improve defensively, improve on set pieces, improve on squad rotation etc. and he has ticked a lot of boxes. Managing a football club is clearly a mid-long long term project. Sir Alex Ferguson took 3 years to do anything. Arteta is what, 5 or 6 years and counting? Frank took over a team that was used to losing (22 defeats last season?) and in a bit of a death spiral form wise. I am happy as long as things are progressing over time."
Looking at your replies to other memnber so this message board in the last few days it would appear that you are simply not a very nice person.
“Oh die you sub human c**t”
GHOST Post #1,465
“Belt up you dribbling jizzbag”
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“Get fucked you shitc***s”
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I do not use the ignore button very often, but am more than happy to do so for someone like you. Feel free to ignore me too if you cannot bear reading different opinions on how the football team we both support should play.
I sad we scored our second goal when they were down to 10 men. Do you admit this?
You expressed it as stark and definitive.
It was fair to characterise it as a false statement.
I said:
We only equalised in the 84th minute, and scored our 2nd goal when they were down to 10 men.
Don't let you lack of understanding of grammar get in the way of the truth.
Cheers. I'll take that as a win.
I will endeavour to take your feedback on board, kind sir. But you should know that on no account do I agree that we deserved to lose against United. Both the game itself and the stats tell us that. So we'll have to agree to disagree on that.
You're not ok are you???
What does your sentence even mean then? What was the point of bringing up the "we only equalised in the 84th minute"
Right ok we equalised in the 84th minute? So what? What point are you even trying to make.
He's conveniently changed that toCheers. I'll take that as a win.
I will endeavour to take your feedback on board, kind sir. But you should know that on no account do I agree that we deserved to lose against United. Both the game itself and the stats tell us that. So we'll have to agree to disagree on that.
" I just said I did not think we deserved to win "
Like we wouldn't notice the difference lol