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Manager Thomas Frank
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Stuff that, I’m expecting Rodrygo loan-to-perm Jan 1st. Then Wharton level CM January 2-8th. Then the best available striker on the planet the following week.
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You called me out because you mistakenly thought I'd said we scored both our gaols after they went down to 10 men like it was some kind of victory for you. When I pointed out your mistake you try and turn it back on me again? Let it go.
What point were you trying to make? Please refrain from running away from the question put forward.
"I just said I did not think we deserved to win"
False false false
You said "yesterday we deserved to lose"
Can you not see the difference? You obviously realised that was a bullshit comment based on nothing so have tried to tweak your stance. The initial interaction with myself and
GOAT
was to do with your inaccurate statement. The fact that you don't see this is scary.
I think he meant the way we were playing in the 1st 70 minutes we deserved to lose.What point were you trying to make? Please refrain from running away from the question put forward.
"I just said I did not think we deserved to win"
False false false
You said "yesterday we deserved to lose"
Can you not see the difference? You obviously realised that was a bullshit comment based on nothing so have tried to tweak your stance. The initial interaction with myself and
He actually said in context;
You only need to read the first 70 mins of the match thread to see this opinion more or less agreed with, we were playing absolute shite.
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I have to say, I am seeing incremental steps to right direction.
After truly shocking performance against Chelsea we managed to get comfortable victory in CL and then almost turn 1:0 loss to 2:1 win against ManU. With 2nd half being significant improvement on 1st.
It is easy to forget but this is still very much early days of Fran reign. ManU was his 18th game.
At the start of the season we looked totally hopeless without Kudus, now we won 1st game comfortably without him and drew another as well.
From fundamental part:
- I see the improvement in Odobert's play; goal vs Copenhagen and assist yesterday
- I know this bein unpopular opinion but Johnson has actually started to do bit of other things as well on top of scoring. His crossing has improved and helps to track runners better on defensive side.
- Sarr is getting back and Xavi performances are improving
- difference from last season for me being - when Ange lost big part of defense, we were conceding goals left and right all the time. Now that Frank is missing Maddison, Kulusevski, Solanke (+ mostly Kolo Muani who only has played a little bit) and this week had to get through without Kudus (+ in CL game also without Tel!) - we still managed to score 6 goals in 2 games. And across the season have scored 19 from 11 games.
So there are things to improve quite clearly. But I see improvements.
Next up will be Arsescum away which will be massive hurdle, given they have just 2 draws and 1 loss in league so far. Hope Frank can set up a team that plays with passion and fight there too!
After truly shocking performance against Chelsea we managed to get comfortable victory in CL and then almost turn 1:0 loss to 2:1 win against ManU. With 2nd half being significant improvement on 1st.
It is easy to forget but this is still very much early days of Fran reign. ManU was his 18th game.
At the start of the season we looked totally hopeless without Kudus, now we won 1st game comfortably without him and drew another as well.
From fundamental part:
- I see the improvement in Odobert's play; goal vs Copenhagen and assist yesterday
- I know this bein unpopular opinion but Johnson has actually started to do bit of other things as well on top of scoring. His crossing has improved and helps to track runners better on defensive side.
- Sarr is getting back and Xavi performances are improving
- difference from last season for me being - when Ange lost big part of defense, we were conceding goals left and right all the time. Now that Frank is missing Maddison, Kulusevski, Solanke (+ mostly Kolo Muani who only has played a little bit) and this week had to get through without Kudus (+ in CL game also without Tel!) - we still managed to score 6 goals in 2 games. And across the season have scored 19 from 11 games.
So there are things to improve quite clearly. But I see improvements.
Next up will be Arsescum away which will be massive hurdle, given they have just 2 draws and 1 loss in league so far. Hope Frank can set up a team that plays with passion and fight there too!
I'm pretty lukewarm on Frank at the moment, more 60/40 - I want to get behind him but some of the shit he does is baffling, the game on Saturday would have been so much easier if he did what would have made much more sense and played Odobert from the start, not because he came on and made a difference, because he offers natural width and a treat on the left - When you do the right things that make sense the fans will get behind you - The way that game played out was frustration for 80 mins, joy/relief for 10 and back to frustration at end, it shouldn't' be like this.
Have to say the wording might be different but the sentiment is the same...just saying...What point were you trying to make? Please refrain from running away from the question put forward.
"I just said I did not think we deserved to win"
False false false
You said "yesterday we deserved to lose"
Can you not see the difference? You obviously realised that was a bullshit comment based on nothing so have tried to tweak your stance. The initial interaction with myself and
Has been looking like Nuno other than those City and PSG games in terms of being as uneasy about trying to implement a style of play that doesn't come naturally to him, with a group of players that don't make things easier for him I might add.
But now that RKM is screwed and we are left with no attacking outlet in the middle for a while, he can be excused for going more, not less, Brentford / JM / Conte actually: Lower defensive line and press, much more directness instead of this endless messing around at the back, back 5 at times, striker partnerships featuring Kudus, Tel and even Simons to exploit the space better in transition etc. Fans weren't willing to tolerate that football a few years ago, poor Nuno, but things look different now.
Unlike the common criticism has it he is not even making us Brentford proper at the moment: He is in this weird purgatory instead.
But now that RKM is screwed and we are left with no attacking outlet in the middle for a while, he can be excused for going more, not less, Brentford / JM / Conte actually: Lower defensive line and press, much more directness instead of this endless messing around at the back, back 5 at times, striker partnerships featuring Kudus, Tel and even Simons to exploit the space better in transition etc. Fans weren't willing to tolerate that football a few years ago, poor Nuno, but things look different now.
Unlike the common criticism has it he is not even making us Brentford proper at the moment: He is in this weird purgatory instead.
No it's not.
If you say a team deserved to lose you're conceding that the team played poorly and the opposition were better.
If you say a team didn't deserve to win you're not conceding anything other then the team not doing enough to win. The team could have played well but not enough to win, the team could have played ok but not enough to win, the team could have played poorly but the opposition also played poorly.
They're not the same thing at all.
Gatekeeping GOAT telling me everyone who's welcome here and not again.
Are you working on getting him banned like you are me? By the way, how are you getting on with that anyway bud? Got an approximate date for that yet?
We all appreciate your work and making this a better place.
Brentford were a positive, attacking football team under Frank.
He's just been dealing with an unbalanced, injury-riddled squad that has led to a dysfunctional final third.
Agree with that.
If Frank can keep incrementally improving and the net position improves on injuries, and perhaps we add one that improves the first XI in Jan ... then I can see us having a decent season.
We are almost certainly going to be a materially better team over the course of the season than we were last season. And while there has been shite served up at times so far, if Frank can get us a top 8 finish then tbh it's a decent first season's work. And we look to strengthen in the summer and kick on from there.
Got me bang to rights buddy. Your powers of insight are phenomenal. Pure WUM me.
I hope we don't get UEFA Conference League qualification, I'd rather have no European football and get more rest between domestic matches next season.
It'll bring in some matchday revenue, and maybe give some players that don't usually get much game time, some opportunity, but I just find the whole competition a huge cringe to be in.
I see we're getting linked with Kevin Schade. Is he good then?Brentford were a positive, attacking football team under Frank.
He's just been dealing with an unbalanced, injury-riddled squad that has led to a dysfunctional final third.
As all I already said , they have identical points , wins ,draws losses and even goal difference. So statistically the same but imo Andrews is doing better with a worse staring eleven , so far .......
The truth is somewhere in between. We definitely underrate some other teams players that we've never heard of that have been well scouted , like Brighton , Bournemouth, Brentford etc
And yes , it was a bit of a mess that Frank inherited but we still have SOME good players. A few very good ones.
I'm not even saying that Frank is doing a bad job , just noting that the rookie manager of his former club is doing as well and taken some very big scalps after selling some of their best players. Maybe Brentford have once again recruited very well replacing Mbueno , wissa etc , time will tell.
And Im sure Brentford fans and management do give a crap a be out losing Mbeumo , just as nearly all of us do give a crap about losing players like Kane ,no matter how well organised we are or might become, it's nearly impossible to replace quality like that as we are seeing with our current forwards.
Indeed, 19 goals from 11 games has been a decent haul given the lack of consistent player availability across the front 3. Tel, Odobert & Richy have played limited minutes for Spurs, a Kolo/Kudas/Xavi are new. Johnson is the only player in Spurs front 4 who has play significant consistent minutes for Spurs.
Thus far I would say that Spurs aren't playing to those players strengths, and as a results creating far less chances. Currently instruction seems to be to keep the ball and build slowly - which allows the other team to get organised - whereas our forwards prefer to have the ball played into space behind the defenders.
There are still far too many mistakes. Misplaced passes and taking far too long on the ball. Against United, it seems every player took 4 or 5 touches before passing the ball. Team's let Spurs do this and then switch to an aggressive press and the Spurs players go to water very quickly.