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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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GinolasLeftFoot said:
That was a shambolic process of signing a manager.

Proper embarrassing shit show, by Levy again
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It got all of us off to an absolutely shit start with Nuno. Not really his fault, either.
I basically renewed my season ticket as we were about to get Conte. Paid in full.
And then we didn't get Conte.
And Nuno wasn't even the next one. Gattuso, Fonseca etc, etc. It was a shambles.
By the time the (unemployed, compensation free) uninspiring Nuno got the job, the entire club was toxic.
 
Kosher Kid said:
Silva was my choice from the candidates who looked most likely at the time.

Sporting and Everton are big clubs, so he has the big club experience, and he has done a solid job at Fulham; so Prem proven too.

The candidates were underwhelming is the truth.

It looks more and more as though Iraola should have been Spurs priority.
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Interestingly his contract runs out next season and he hasn't been offered a new one. Fulham are currently 15th, one point above relegation and lost 5 of their last 6 games.
However, there's nuance in that they did fcuk all in the window this summer. They signed a back up keeper and 1 LW. That's it.
I think he's run his course at Fulham. They haven't backed him and now he wants out.
 
GinolasLeftFoot said:
is that too hard for you?
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Yes mate.

I've been waiting since 77 for a league title.

That is long enough.

If Frank isn't capable of getting a top 4 finish then Spurs should sack him at the point he cannot achieve it.

That should be the benchmark going forward.

That is if the aim is to bin off the preferred methods of Sugar and Levy when it comes to hiring managers, buying football players and paying their wages at THFC.

Spurs supporters should demand the same standards as all other big clubs.

We need to behave like them.

You seem to be describing West Ham in my opinion.

Sunderland are currently looking better than Frank's Spurs team.

Which kind of proves the point.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Tel was here 2nd half of last season.
So how the fuck was he replacement on Sonny for example?
And how has Muani been a replacement when he has been injured himself most of the time?

You are just a troll and very shit at that too.
Off to ignore you go.
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I can't believe that I'll have to explain this to a grown adult, but here we go.

Tel was brought in to cover LW and ST, short term. We didn't own him, we bought him after the loan, obviously as a Son replacement because we didn't buy another. We didn't own him, so we bought him.

Muani arrived fit and was supposed to replace the injured Dom and give depth. No, they didn't look into their crystal ball and see he'd get injured as well.

If I'm a top level troll, you're a top level jester.
 
Tottenham Massive said:
Apart from Frank we're pretty much on the same page then. Although I don't see why a couple of those names should be seen as unrealistic.
Let's be honest though, if Woolwich had needed a manager and appointed Frank, the 'let's all laugh at scum' thread would have gone in to overdrive.
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They appointed a Manager who had never Managed a club and kept him after a shaky start and are now reaping the rewards. Frank's CV was closer to Poch as a Manager that had Managed a lesser PL team rather than Conte & Mourinho who were very experienced and successful which everyone in hindsight considered wrong.
 
BJK said:
Arteta is a really bad model to invest in from a purely ROI standpoint, even ignoring his Woolwich connection and his eccentricities, to put it very mildly, as a person.

Investing 6 years and an obscene amount of money on a manager should return you more than a feeble frontrunner of a team that will either bottle it again, or get knocked out of the throne by the next big thing sooner than later. And it goes without saying that the football is atrocious compared to some other cases of big clubs giving this much time and money to a particular manager.

If Arteta is the end result of this game of patience I'd rather stay impatient, as I genuinely don't think the juice is worth the squeeze.
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I realize it's fun to rag on Arteta and Woolwich, but you really would not be ok with a few difficult seasons that result in a title challenging team? A team that easily could have won a league title if City had not been playing perfect football down the stretch?

Our current 6 year plan has been to finish 5th or lower and then fire the manager every other season. I don't see how that gets us to Woolwich's level.
 
bonaspur23 said:
I realize it's fun to rag on Arteta and Woolwich, but you really would not be ok with a few difficult seasons that result in a title challenging team? A team that easily could have won a league title if City had not been playing perfect football down the stretch?

Our current 6 year plan has been to finish 5th or lower and then fire the manager every other season. I don't see how that gets us to Woolwich's level.
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No, I wouldn't be okay with Woolwich's 6 year trajectory under Arteta. Because it's not simply a matter of:

Well look at them, they stayed patient with a manager and gave him all kinds of resources, and are now reaping the rewards!

The notion of opportunity cost has it that, when evaluating Arteta's tenure, we need to also consider the counterfactual where Woolwich spent the last 6 years giving those financial resources to different manager(s) to see if the Arteta experiment would really come out on top. I don't see it, even though reasonable disagreement is of course possible.

This doesn't mean our current trajectory is in any way enviable, that's a whole different conversation. Just pointing out how Woolwich and Arteta are not some kind of a role model that we should aspire to replicate in case we eventually start spending big.
 
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BJK said:
No, I wouldn't be okay with Woolwich's 6 year trajectory under Arteta. Because it's not simply a matter of:

Well look at them, they stayed patient with a manager and gave him all kinds of resources, and are now reaping the rewards!

The notion of opportunity cost has it that, when evaluating Arteta's tenure, we need to also consider the counterfactual where Woolwich spent the last 6 years giving those financial resources to different manager(s) to see if Arteta would really come out on top. I don't see it, even though reasonable disagreement is of course possible.

This doesn't mean our current trajectory is in any way enviable, that's a whole different conversation. Just pointing out how Woolwich and Arteta are not some kind of a role model that we should aspire to replicate in case we eventually start spending big.
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Look I despise Lego Head as much as the next person but 50 odd years of following Sport tells me that only the very best managers (which doesn't mean the "best human beings" of course) can sustain a sense of belief and buy in for the length of time that Cunt has been at Scum. They have been "up" for four years with nothing to show for it but look just as much up for it this year. That's playing some pretty dour shite for a a complete fruitcake. But a fruitcake who gets them to believe year on year.

Maybe that might have happened under Emery if they'd been patient but when they went long they stuck to it and might horribly get some reward for it this year.
 
Kosher Kid said:
How many of Tottenham's 25 managers would have been good enough to be considered for the Liverpool manager's job by their board and supporters?

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got me doing what?
Pointing out that managers rarely get given time to establish a MO ?

If Nuno had been given time we might well be in a better place, he's turned the turd that is WHU round

etc etc

yeah some of them were never going to succeed, but the fans are as shit as the management for pulling the trigger
 
In the last 25 years we haven't appointed or sacked more fulltime managers than some of the biggest clubs in the world have done in the same time period. In some cases, we're the more conservative side of the two in fact. And I'm talking about Real, Barca, Bayern, Inter and whatnot here. Whatever you think our issues are, doubting or sacking managers too soon is certainly not one of them.

Not a few Don Quixotes here are fighting the windmillls, instead of actually trying to make an individual case for the manager they believe in.
 
Of all the managers we've had Frank is one of them. There's every chance he'll succeed, or not. I definitely think we probably should consider keeping him or firing him. We need to think this through and act in a cautiously decisive manner. The one thing we can say for sure is that time will tell.
 
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