There is about 15 players who I wouldn't care if we sold. Some need to sold, in like January.
That's an appalling number.
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That's an appalling number.
Put a thread in ignore some say.
Why the fcuk should I do that, because it is important to see the absolute biased and unbalanced sh!t that some people post.
Ire or not, I won't shy from reading posts, even when they are sent by those who only show their virtual faces when it's not all roses.
Fcuking cheek.
Why the fcuk should I do that, because it is important to see the absolute biased and unbalanced sh!t that some people post.
Ire or not, I won't shy from reading posts, even when they are sent by those who only show their virtual faces when it's not all roses.
Fcuking cheek.
I think the majority feel the same way.
We all want him to do well and hope that he does well.
However; I can't help thinking that one of the motivating factors for his recruitment as manager was because he has a proven track record of working on a shoestring budget with bargain buys and thrift.
It's all very well saying give him time but all the while we are waiting; the serious clubs are getting further away from us by doing what Spurs used to do.
Buying and retaining the best available players and managers.
Frank has to hit targets in my opinion.
If he can't; on to the next one we go.
Woolwich bought in Pep's cone man who had never managed a PL match
Chelsea bought in a manager from the Championship who had never managed a PL match
Liverpool bought in a manager from the Eredivisie who had never managed a PL match
Utd bought in a a manager from the Superliga who had never managed a PL match
What are we doing here?
What you are doing is not comparing apples with apples.
All these types of arguments were put forward for retaining Ange.
It was retaining Ange that has led to Spurs re-aquiring the losing habit and this is my point.
I've watched Spurs sides in the past who began accepting defeats.
I recognise the disease we have.
Our support has been too tolerent of this for too long.
We need to keep the pressure up on ENIC to either deliver the success this club deserves or to sell up to an entity that will.
The alternative is to accept another project that looks equally as likely to be as shit as the last one; rather than take Spurs forward.
I don't think we should fuck about with Frank beyond the end of the season if it is more of the same.
That will inevitably lead to the likes of VDV, and any other emerging quality, being poached and we will be stuck in the two steps forward; one step back bullshit of Sugar and Levy forever.
Spurs supporters need to think about that winning feeling and the subsequent parade afterwards.
We are a huge fucking football club.
Not West Ham or Brentford.
Apparently Kudus the main culprit. Although you'd expect that as he sees way more of the ball than anyone else.
What?
Spurs should not stick with poor managers because they might come good like the Fergie story?
It's a fairytale that no longer applies to football in 2025.
If you're shit you get the heave ho double quick.
Anything less is the acceptance of mediocrity.
We've tried hiring cheap managers before.
AVB, Nuno and Ange all went the same way.
It's a shit plan for a big club.
Conte? Jose?
Poch was a 'shit' manager by your reckoning as well then?
I would assert that these two appointments prove my point.
Jose was the only credible candidate the miser could have hired after he sacked Poch.
Anything less, at that point, would have been perceived as unambitious and the supporters were presented with an illusion of ambition rather than the real thing.
Levy sacked Poch; hired Jose but then didn't give him some of the players he asked for.
He got Rodon instead of Skrinier.
Cheap, cheap, cheap.
When Jose failed, after being set up to fail, the miser spoke to Conte but opted for Nuno.
Cheap, cheap, cheap.
When Nuno failed, in a similar manner to what is prevailing now under Frank, he went back to Conte, cap in hand, and begged him to save his arse.
Jose and Conte were never about the ambition of the club to win.
It was about keeping the miser in his role with an illusion of ambition.
We all know this; you included.
The miser model is broken.
It doesn't work.
That is a balanced post. Well done sir.
I'm kind of on the fence myself. I was expecting mixed results as I've posted before. He has an unbalanced squad that is missing some key players, who have come off the back of a pretty traumatic season. You don't fix that overnight and you certainly don't get free flowing, exciting Football from them after less than half a season.
Having said that, we're massively inconsistent which, if we're all honest with ourselves, is a concern.
It's not enough of a concern to decide "it's not working," tear up the plan and restart though.
He's made a reasonably strong start, despite the above, points wise. We've had some turgid games mixed in with some reasonable ones, again what I was expecting.
I've seen the comment that we're not seeing any Green shoots, which I would disagree with, though those shoots are still small. To further the analogy, Frank has come in in the middle of Winter and started planting his seeds. You have to wait until Spring to see the shoots. You don't replough the field because you don't see those shoots in January.
Iraola took 10 games to get his first win. Frank was very similar at Brentford before he then started getting them punching above their weight. I know the expectations are different, but that doesn't mean the process has to be. However, that requires patience, which is in short supply for many in every fan base.
So yeah, I'm on the fence somewhat, but understand that, for the majority of managers, building a squad in their image doesn't happen overnight.
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Exactly this. Levy's final act.
Iraola would have been my pick. See shades of peak Poch in Jim.
But no one, and I mean no one, was ever gonna walk in the door and have us top of the league with scintillating football. Took Pep, Klopp and Arteta ages to get going
Poch was the best manager Spurs have had in 40 years.
So you've just contradicted yourself then?
I'm reminded of the famous old quote this morning
.... (can't remember who it was...Wordsworth maybe?)
Each new day brings many unknowns. alas, a trio of things are known for sure, bonjour..
The sun will rise in the east, at least.
The sun will set in the west, at best
And
Shadydan
will make an ass of himself on The Fighting Cock
.... (can't remember who it was...Wordsworth maybe?)
Each new day brings many unknowns. alas, a trio of things are known for sure, bonjour..
The sun will rise in the east, at least.
The sun will set in the west, at best
And
Shadydan
will make an ass of himself on The Fighting Cock
Well it doesn't because those two failed going by your own metric
And there it is.
He was the top choice of the supporters.
We got the consolation prize and the mantra now is to stick with his 'building' and give him time.
We will be 4 seasons into project managers before another meltdown if we are loyal for the sake of it.
I don't give a fuck anymore on this subject.
I want Spurs standards to be the same as Liverpool and City.
I want several quality signings in January.
At least 3 top players.
No excuses.
Just go and get the best available.
Then I might buy into Frank's project.
I'm reminded of the famous old quote this morning
.... (can't remember who it was...Wordsworth maybe?)
Each new day brings many unknowns. alas, a trio of things are known for sure, bonjour..
The sun will rise in the east, at least.
The sun will set in the west, at best
And
We're still waiting for you to show an ounce of football knowledge on this forum by the way and stop running away when people attempt to get into a debate with you about football, can you manage that or are you gonna ignore this post as well?
You need to up your game.
You're now defending the methods of the miser.
The methods that got him the sack.
Danny's gone Shady.
As hard as it is for you.
Levy's train is still out of control.